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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #12

 1. Re: Sunglasses
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 2. Position Announcement
    by "Paul Sullivan" <PSulliva [at] coj.net>
 3. Re: Outstanding Theatre Programs
    by "Nikel, Andrew" <ANikel [at] vlps.com>
 4. The day the mail died, the sequel
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 5. Re: OSHA certifications
    by "Booth, Dennis" <boothd [at] ncarts.edu>
 6. Obsession ML profiles
    by Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>
 7. Re: Obsession ML profiles
    by kim.hartshorn [at] plattsburgh.edu
 8. Re: Posting Ettiquette
    by <psyd [at] cox.net>
 9. Re: OT
    by <psyd [at] cox.net>
10. Re: Obsession ML profiles
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
11. ROAD TRIP (was: Re: Small theatre in Cape Cod...)
    by <psyd [at] cox.net>
12. Re: Small theatre in Cape Cod...
    by <psyd [at] cox.net>
13. Re: Obsession ML profiles
    by "Sarah Clausen" <sclausen [at] etcconnect.com>
14. Re: Posting Ettiquette
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
15. Re: AutoCad 3D plotting
    by " joe" <joe [at] dunfee.com>
16. Re: Shopping at Home Depot (Was Wal-Mart)
    by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
17. Re: EPG flooring
    by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
18. Re: Orking on the beach
    by "MARK OBRIEN" <omark4 [at] msn.com>
19. Re: ROAD TRIP (was: Re: Small theatre in Cape Cod...)
    by Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
20. Re: OT
    by <psyd [at] cox.net>

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Message-ID: <004e01c43da6$7624df90$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC>
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
References: <list-3450327 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Sunglasses
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 03:37:41 -1000

<<You learn the weirdest things here!  I was never concerned about
(sun)glasses monopoly, but suddenly now I do.>>

Ow.

"am".

Laters,

Paul




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Message-Id: <s0ab2d21.033 [at] mail.itd.ci.jax.fl.us>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:47:03 -0400
From: "Paul Sullivan" <PSulliva [at] coj.net>
Subject: Position Announcement

For any interested:


POSITION: 	Event Coordinator
REPORTS TO:	Director of Operations
FLSA STATUS: 	Exempt

SMG, the leader in privately managed public assembly facilities has an =
excellent and immediate opening for an Event Coordinator at the Mid-America=
 Center. The Event Coordinator provides professional client services =
support in the planning, organization and management of events within the =
facility, and monitoring the logistics of these events, and all event =
coordination tasks after events are booked through the conclusion.=20


MAJOR RESPONSIBILITIES:

*	Supervises staff and oversees all aspects of facility operations =
related to events.
*	Meets with client groups to plan and organize assigned meetings =
and/or events.
*	Coordinates activities with the various service contractors for =
assigned meetings and/or events.
*	Guides clients in preparation of events by interpreting and =
explaining contract provisions, policies and procedures.
*	Keeps clients informed as to status of deadline schedules, =
including but not limited to floor plan submissions, meeting room set-up =
specifications, insurance requirements and other relevant details.
*	Prepares cost estimates and monitors final billing.
*	Provides clear, concise, and timely communication of detailed =
requirements to operational departments. Assists in scheduling operational =
set-ups to provide equipment or services needs. Monitors and supervises =
facility set-up when necessary.
*	Assists in training event services staff.
*	Serves as primary liaison between clients and facility departments.=

*	Monitors in-house events, maintaining close contact with clients =
and facility staff to ensure successful events. Follows-up on all client =
requests, concerns, and problems.
*	Attends appropriate planning, organization and other event and =
facility meetings in support of facility operations.
*	Serves as manager on duty as required.


QUALIFICATIONS:

Bachelor's degree (B. A.) from four-year college or university
1 to 2 years related experience and/or training
Or equivalent combination of education and experience
Working knowledge of the principles of facility management, services and =
equipment for a similar facility


=20
TO APPLY:

This position offers a competitive salary and benefit package.  Resumes =
must include salary requirements for consideration and may be sent to:

Melissa Ries
Mid-America Center
One Arena Way
Council Bluffs, IA  51501
FAX: (712) 323-0551
EMAIL: mries [at] midamericacenter.com
No Phone Calls
SMG is an Equal Opportunity Employer




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Subject: Re: Outstanding Theatre Programs
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:23:34 -0500
Message-ID: <93FE13C1F8D37D4D89A28A78F975D669F32F0E [at] stagepost.vari-lite.corp>
From: "Nikel, Andrew" <ANikel [at] vlps.com>

Outstanding post, Delbert.=20

I love seeing this kind of thing on the Stagecraft Mailing List. A =
thoughtful, cogent description with clear examples of direct experience =
from a professional, that anyone at any level can profit from.=20

Nice work, Steve.

Andrew

Andrew L. Nikel
Account Manager
VLPS Lighting Services - New York
115 Moonachie Ave., Unit C
Moonachie, NJ  07074
201-462-9500  fax 201-462-9596
anikel [at] vlps.com
http://www.vlps.com/

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From: "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
Subject: Outstanding Theatre Programs
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 19:24:04 -0400
Message-ID: <000601c43d2f$36a3acb0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert>

SNIP
...and therefore I have to commend Steve and
his staff. I highly recommend the Cincinnati Conservatory of Music to
anyone student (graduate or undergraduate) who is looking for a truly
professional education.

Just my opinion.

-Delbert


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Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519083108.00acb908 [at] localhost>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:34:32 +0000
Cc: sdurand [at] interstellar.com (Sharon Hurtley-Durand)
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: The day the mail died, the sequel

Our mail server is back up.  There were THREE problems that had to be 
corrected (the POP server computer died, the name server died, and then the 
new mail server was mis-configured, all in Florida).

So, please resend any messages that you have sent us in the last 2 
days.  Sorry about the problems.


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Message-ID: <659CC0547BC6D3118B9200508BC270EA035BB5AD [at] ncsamail.ncarts.edu>
From: "Booth, Dennis" <boothd [at] ncarts.edu>
Subject: Re: OSHA certifications
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:59:45 -0400

Salient?  I there I thought I was being salsa...

Thanks for clarifying, but I never said that the Feds should do the
training.  In the case of the certifications for lift trucks and personnel
lifts, ANSI sets the standard, and OSHA enforces the training.  The private
sector indeed makes lots of money providing the required training both for
trainer certifications and operator certifications.

Your proposal that ESTA set the standards for fall arrest is what I was
getting at, and is the ideal for our industry, in my opinion.  As the recent
fatal accident indicates, however, enforcement will be necessary and
inevitable, and that's where OSHA can and will inevitably be involved,
especially if fatalities continue.  As you indicate, the private sector will
ultimately provide the training, and Sapsis Rigging I'm sure will be at the
forefront of that effort.

And hey, I'm interested!

Thanks, Bill.  Be well, too.

DGB

Dennis Gill Booth, Technical Director

  North Carolina School of the Arts 
  School of Design and Production 
  1553 South Main Street 
  PO Box 12189 
  Winston-Salem, NC   27117-2189 

*	Voice:  (336)770-3232 x127 
*	FAX:   (336)770-3213 
*	Email: boothd [at] ncarts.edu 
*	D&P URL: http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/ 
*	Faculty URL: http://faculty.ncarts.edu/dandp/booth/


-----Original Message-----
From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com [mailto:Bsapsis [at] aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:33 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: OSHA certifications

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In a message dated 5/18/04 3:47:17 PM, boothd [at] ncarts.edu writes:

<< This type of training was developed for industry to help reduce forklift 
and
personnel lift accidents through effective education. Dr. Doom and our
esteemed ESTA list members, I think it would be a worthwhile effort to
develop these OSHA certifications for climbing wire rope ladders and truss,
among other things, for our own industry.  Dr. Davidson, who do we talk to
at the Federal level?   >>

Dennis.  You make many salient points in your post.  However, I would like
to 
suggest that rather than talk to the Federal government, you should talk to 
the folks at ESTA who are involved in developing standards and certification

for a wide range of job descriptions and products.  The Federal Government
is 
not in the business of training everyone how to do their jobs safely.  Take
Fall 
Arrest, for example.  They have excellent rules and regulations for this 
area, but they do not offer a certification on any level.  they do not
conduct 
classes in fall arrest but leave that to a select few companies in the
private 
sector.  to my knowledge there hasn't been a fall arrest class ion the last
4 - 
5 years, at least not on the east coast, primarily due
lack of response (ie..interest)



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Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040519103724.01b4cc68 [at] pop.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:43:06 -0700
From: Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>
Subject: Obsession ML profiles

Hi All,

I am looking for moving light profiles for the Obsession console,
for the VL 1000 TS and VL 3000 fixtures.

ETC said I would need to write them myself.  I will if I need to, but I'd 
like to have them *before* the fixtures arrive (short rental period), and 
I've never had to write them before.

Any help the collective wisdom of the list may be able to level in this 
direction would be most appreciated, both with the profiles themselves 
and/or how to write them.

....Ron

__________
Ron Cargile
Electrics & Audio Supervisor
Claire Trevor School of the Arts
University of California, Irvine
(949) 824-4031


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Message-ID: <1084989613.40aba0ad186aa [at] webmail.plattsburgh.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:00:13 -0400
From: kim.hartshorn [at] plattsburgh.edu
Subject: Re: Obsession ML profiles
References: <list-3452350 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-3452350 [at] prxy.net>


Ron

You will need to download the profile editor from ETC
it is very small file and pretty easy.  While you are at it you might as well 
download the offline editor for your console.

The method of writing the profiles using the editor is quite simple....however..
knowing or guessing what each channel is will require docs from the 
manufacturer of the instruments.  The manufacturer is the most likely place to 
find already written profiles btw...not etc.

Depending on how many channels these instruments use per/fixture and what 
exactly you are planning to do with them it may be to your advantage to rent a 
moving light controller.  I am not familiar with the obsession, but running 
four 7-channel fixtures is about all I can handle with the Express and still 
leave enough channels to work with otherwise...moving lights eat channels for 
breakfast.

good luck

Kim




Quoting Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>:

> For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending
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> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I am looking for moving light profiles for the Obsession console,
> for the VL 1000 TS and VL 3000 fixtures.
> 
> ETC said I would need to write them myself.  I will if I need to, but I'd 
> like to have them *before* the fixtures arrive (short rental period), and 
> I've never had to write them before.
> 
> Any help the collective wisdom of the list may be able to level in this 
> direction would be most appreciated, both with the profiles themselves 
> and/or how to write them.
> 
> ....Ron
> 
> __________
> Ron Cargile
> Electrics & Audio Supervisor
> Claire Trevor School of the Arts
> University of California, Irvine
> (949) 824-4031
> 
> 




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From: <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Posting Ettiquette
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:48:59 -0400
Message-Id: <20040519184859.PTG6392.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net [at] smtp.west.cox.net>

 >I'm sure Chris B will fill that need for us!!

Wot?  Did someone call my name?  If by that, you mean point them to the simple and concise instructions that they were supposed to have read when they joined this party, than yeah, I will.  Just as soon as I get back in country, er... I mean back in MY country.  
I can't anyone take you seriously on any technical issue, or even on your choice of lager if you cannot follow simply laid out and specific instructions.
As a rigger I know is fond of saying, "Nuff said".


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From: <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: OT
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:50:41 -0400
Message-Id: <20040519185043.LBQ23237.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net [at] smtp.west.cox.net>

 >Was that a rant?

No, but it saved me from writing one.  Wait, too late!  We're theatre people.  We drink, and we shop and we live.  Anything that has anything to do with people, drinking, shopping or theatre, or anything that theatre people do whiloe they drink, or while they shop, wor while they drink while they shop (and so on) will affect theatre.  Therefore we can conclude that it is on topic.  If it is not a stagcraft-worthy topic, then it probably won't ever make its way to the list.  Yes, the best beer is a stagecraft-worthy, topic (as a matter of fact, I just went to Munich today to research the many rumours of the best beer residing there, and trust me, while the beer in Munich is really really good, there are some local brauhauses in the outlying Schwaebisch areas that'll kick Munich's butt with their Weitz bieren)
as much as where the best place to buy nails in Manhatten might be, or the best place to park in San Fran.
Politics are important.  Politics decide how arts programs get funded.  I think that our Attorney General deciding that the breasts on a statue of Justice should be draped, since they're going to be seen on TV, is one of the most telling acts committed by this administration.  If the general consensus is that that has nothing to do with stagecraft, then I hope you have a great pension plan.  I just saw the figures of the folk that are registered in some sort of higher education here in Bavaria, and the folks attending some sort of arts related schooling amongst (far and away) the smallest percentage of those attending.  And Southern Germany is amongst the best when it comes to supporting the arts.  Remember, without artists most of us are just blue collar grunts.  Or industrial arts educators.
Off topic indeed.  More gaff was generated just to show that there really isn't much that's off topic if you pay attention long enough.
(That's not a rant, THIS is a rant!)
						  Cheers from Deutschland!
						(and I might be a coupla days behind...)
							CB


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Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:50:58 -0400
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Obsession ML profiles
Message-id: <40ABAC92.F3662308 [at] ithaca.edu>
References: <list-3452492 [at] prxy.net>

kim.hartshorn [at] plattsburgh.edu wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Ron
> 
> You will need to download the profile editor from ETC
> it is very small file and pretty easy.  While you are at it you might as well
> download the offline editor for your console.

I'm sure Sarah will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the
Personality Editor program creates Expression family personalities,
not Obsession.

It also depends on what version Obsession you're running.  The
following is based on Obs II, v 4.4.2. I've just installed 5.1.0, but
the release notes don't say they've changed much about how to deal
with personalities.

The Obsession software has a personality editor built in, so you can
write your personalities in Obsession offline (as long as you have a
DOS computer available) or online at your console.

I agree with Kim, that you should check with Vari-lite for
personalities as well.  I know Ken Romaine and Andrew Nikel at VLPS
monitor the list, so dropping one of them an email might help you out.

Anyway, to write a personality, I find it easiest to copy an existing
personality, rather than to build one from scratch.

Download a manual or spec sheet from the manufacturer's website. 
(www.vari-lite.com)  
Flip to the Channel Mapping section.  (Holy cow!  28 channels for the
VL-3000)
Sitting at the Obsession (or offline)  Go to Setup, Moving LIght
Setup, Personality Setup.
View the Personalities on the Hard Drive (S1, I think)
Select a Personality, and "Copy to" "Show"   (S7 and S3 I think)
View the Show personalities. (you can't edit, except in the "Show"
display)
Select a personality to edit.
Adding attributes and ordering them is pretty self explanatory, so I
won't waste space discussing that.  The manual is pretty helpful, as
is the willingness to try.  Drop me a line if you have any questions.
The main catches are
- getting data type correct, Most attributes are 8-bit, but movement
is often 16-bit, and color/gobo wheels are often "discrete."
- Independent channels.  See below.
- Frame tables for discrete attributes.


The VL1000TS will need a "Remote Dimmer" attribute, so the console
knows to send intensity commands elsewhere.  
Be aware of what attributes you want to be "Independent," and make
sure you set them now.   If you change the "Independent" state of an
attribute later then you will need to repatch the fixtures using that
attribute for the changes to take effect.
Take some time to think about your encoder layout.  The default layout
often uses two encoders for pan and tilt, even though the trackpad is
pan and tilt.  Grouping attributes together by how you use them can
save some time.  (If you have enough pages you can use a different
layout for each fixture)

Hope this helps get you started.  Let me know off list if you have any
specific questions.

Stephen Litterst

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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From: <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: ROAD TRIP (was: Re: Small theatre in Cape Cod...)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:18:08 -0400
Message-Id: <20040519191808.BNYJ25106.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net [at] smtp.west.cox.net>

<< Your just looking for any excuse to get back on that bike.  I thought you 
would have had enough for a while

I just came back from the bike shop in Ulm (getting illegal visors to smuggle back to the states) and saw teh new Beemers.  Man, are we in for a shock.  Niiiice bikes.  Erm... to ride to your theatre, yeah, a great commuter bike to ride back and forth to the theatre.  Great panniers on the new Dakar 650 for tools and such!
CB


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From: <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Small theatre in Cape Cod...
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:29:00 -0400
Message-Id: <20040519192902.BXXR21007.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net [at] smtp.west.cox.net>

>The beach is 1200' from the loading door!

MMMmmm...  I remember a gig in Key West where monitor beach was actually on a beach.  off the stool, twenty feet back and I was in the water.  Had to be careful coming back to the mix, though, and kept a towel right handy.  Was a great addition to the humidity until someone mentioned as to how sharks are nocturnal hunters... What does a desert rat kow from sharks?!?


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Subject: Re: Obsession ML profiles
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:11:58 -0500
Message-ID: <0B70E9798A3B4E4080E46327FA359F21295485 [at] MIDL-MAILV.etclink.net>
From: "Sarah Clausen" <sclausen [at] etcconnect.com>

Hi Ron -

Can you send me your email address directly?=20

sclausen at etcconnect dot com

Thanks!

Sarah

Sarah Clausen
Technical Communications
Product Marketing Department
Electronic Theatre Controls, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Ron
Cargile
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:43 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Obsession ML profiles


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Hi All,

I am looking for moving light profiles for the Obsession console,
for the VL 1000 TS and VL 3000 fixtures.

ETC said I would need to write them myself.  I will if I need to, but =
I'd=20
like to have them *before* the fixtures arrive (short rental period), =
and=20
I've never had to write them before.

Any help the collective wisdom of the list may be able to level in this=20
direction would be most appreciated, both with the profiles themselves=20
and/or how to write them.

....Ron

__________
Ron Cargile
Electrics & Audio Supervisor
Claire Trevor School of the Arts
University of California, Irvine
(949) 824-4031


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Message-ID: <40ABC7EF.1050609 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:47:43 -0400
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Subject: Re: Posting Ettiquette
References: <list-3452752 [at] prxy.net>

Hi,
See, I knew Chris would come through! :)
Thanks,
Steve

psyd [at] cox.net wrote:

> Wot?  Did someone call my name?  [snipped]


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Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:51:45 -0400
Message-Id: <200405191751.AA1826947250 [at] paonline.com>
From: " joe" <joe [at] dunfee.com>
Subject: Re: AutoCad 3D plotting

  I don't think anyone has mentioned this fact yet, but AutoCAD 2004 can plot rendered views (similar to the way it has been able to plot hidden-line views).  In prior versions, the only way to include a shaded image was to render it to an external file, then import the image.

  By the way, I've started including pictures of the set models on all my drawings. (our theater does very detailed minature models for every set)  It really helps make the drawings clearer.



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From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <a0.d193221.2ddd7431 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:38:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Shopping at Home Depot (Was Wal-Mart)

Loren Schreiber wrote:
>Even the big box companies aren't long for the world. Something else will 
>take their place too, eventually (Internet?).

Internet, yes.  I find that I'm doing more and more shopping at McMaster-Carr 
online both for work and for home projects.  Their catalog is fairly easy to 
navigate and is full of great stuff that I might never find at the big boxes.  
Prices are competitive and delivery/shipping is very fast.  They even have 
great old fashion catalog teaching features as product descriptions, 
applications, and ordering/measurements guidelines.  Granger also has a good site.  Both 
deal in brand name products so you can know what you are getting and can find 
out where it came from.

Steve Vanciel
Orlando, FL

PS:  No, I do not have any stock in either firm. 

PPS:  Hmmm, perhaps I should.

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From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <11.29d841e2.2ddd752f [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:42:55 EDT
Subject: Re: EPG flooring

howie wrote:
>If you plan on using something more exotic get a sample and try it out.

Amen to that!  We have an outdoor stage were I work.  It has been an ongoing 
challenge to keep a working deck on it given the Florida heat and moisture.  
We have recently been experimenting with different synthetic materials.   
Several times we have installed a 10 ft x 10 ft test section of a sample in 
the up center stage entrance.  This high traffic area has revealed various 
material weaknesses before we committed to replacing the entire deck.  
The extruded poly planks (1x12) we are using now are holding up fairly well.  
Since the entire stage is sprung (basket weave) we are finding that the 
fastening hardware is the weakest link.  Various screws tend to snap. The planks 
also are exhibiting a tendency to curl.  
We have recently experienced some rather mild and very dry days. We 
discovered that a static charge is generated just by walking across the plastic deck.  
Stagehands and performers alike were getting zapped whenever they touched a 
metal set piece or railing.  Never had that problem with the old wooded deck.

Steve Vanciel
Orlando, FL

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From: "MARK OBRIEN" <omark4 [at] msn.com>
Subject: Re: Orking on the beach
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:08:17 -0700
Message-ID: <BAY3-F21QzBxhJTANZw00017d81 [at] hotmail.com>

I recall doing a load in at the Breakers Hotel in Palm Beach Florida. Great 
access, loading dock is essentially on the boardwalk.  Had to load out 
through the kitchen, when a hurricane was near, as the wind would have 
shredded the ballroom. Oh well



>
>
> >The beach is 1200' from the loading door!
>
>MMMmmm...  I remember a gig in Key West where monitor beach was actually on 
>a beach.  off the stool, twenty feet back and I was in the water.  Had to 
>be careful coming back to the mix, though, and kept a towel right handy.  
>Was a great addition to the humidity until someone mentioned as to how 
>sharks are nocturnal hunters... What does a desert rat kow from sharks?!?
>

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Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:24:35 -0700
Subject: Re: ROAD TRIP (was: Re: Small theatre in Cape Cod...)
Message-ID: <20040519.202526.260.1.ladesigners [at] juno.com>
From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>

Is the Costume Shop building the (hand-tooled leather) Panniers, or are
they too busy building a Farthingales? Ooops, farthingales are only for
soft-tail Harleys and actresses doing period pieces.
/s/ Richard

> Great panniers on the new Dakar 650 for tools and such!
> CB

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From: <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: OT
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:50:41 -0400
Message-Id: <20040519185043.LBQ23237.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net [at] smtp.west.cox.net>

 >Was that a rant?

No, but it saved me from writing one.  Wait, too late!  We're theatre people.  We drink, and we shop and we live.  Anything that has anything to do with people, drinking, shopping or theatre, or anything that theatre people do whiloe they drink, or while they shop, wor while they drink while they shop (and so on) will affect theatre.  Therefore we can conclude that it is on topic.  If it is not a stagcraft-worthy topic, then it probably won't ever make its way to the list.  Yes, the best beer is a stagecraft-worthy, topic (as a matter of fact, I just went to Munich today to research the many rumours of the best beer residing there, and trust me, while the beer in Munich is really really good, there are some local brauhauses in the outlying Schwaebisch areas that'll kick Munich's butt with their Weitz bieren)
as much as where the best place to buy nails in Manhatten might be, or the best place to park in San Fran.
Politics are important.  Politics decide how arts programs get funded.  I think that our Attorney General deciding that the breasts on a statue of Justice should be draped, since they're going to be seen on TV, is one of the most telling acts committed by this administration.  If the general consensus is that that has nothing to do with stagecraft, then I hope you have a great pension plan.  I just saw the figures of the folk that are registered in some sort of higher education here in Bavaria, and the folks attending some sort of arts related schooling amongst (far and away) the smallest percentage of those attending.  And Southern Germany is amongst the best when it comes to supporting the arts.  Remember, without artists most of us are just blue collar grunts.  Or industrial arts educators.
Off topic indeed.  More gaff was generated just to show that there really isn't much that's off topic if you pay attention long enough.
(That's not a rant, THIS is a rant!)
						  Cheers from Deutschland!
						(and I might be a coupla days behind...)
							CB


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