Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #34 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:00:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #34 1. Re: Video signal routing by CB 2. Re: Rings (warning: almost completely OT) by CB 3. Re: I'm cranky tonight by MissWisc [at] aol.com 4. Re: Rings (warning: almost completely OT) by CB 5. Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? by "John Gibilisco" 6. Video signal routing by CB 7. Re: Rental Draperies... help please by CB 8. Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? by Bruce Purdy 9. Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? by Michael Heinicke 10. Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? by Bruce Purdy 11. Re: I'm cranky tonight by CB 12. Re: Video signal routing by "Brian Desmond" 13. Re: Video signal routing by "Brian Desmond" 14. Re: Video signal routing by "Brian Desmond" 15. Re: Video signal routing by "Brian Desmond" 16. Re: Video signal routing by "Brian Desmond" 17. Re: Video signal routing by Richard Niederberg 18. Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? by Richard Niederberg 19. Drapes/Curtains by JAXBEAR31 [at] aol.com 20. Re: Adapt or sit on the sidelines by Michael Powers 21. Re: I'm cranky tonight by Eric Minton 22. Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? by "Tony Deeming" 23. Re: I'm cranky tonight by David Duffy 24. Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? by "Tony Deeming" 25. Re: I'm cranky tonight by Eric Minton *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040607195856.0168d120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 19:58:56 From: CB Subject: Re: Video signal routing >Interesting. There are three replies, so far, all offering the same advice, >more or less. More interesting is that Frank thinks that the advice is all the same. I specifically did NOT say that all the signals getting to the switcher needed to all be the same. I did say that there are switchers out there that will take many different kinds of video signals and switch between them. As someone else said, how well itwill switch between them is a function of budget. >Getting the right cables made up may well prove a headache. I've never had too many problems making up whatever I needed. Frank, if you nee any help with cables, let me know. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040607200339.0168d120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:03:39 From: CB Subject: Re: Rings (warning: almost completely OT) >Someone told me that he also did a movie involving some famous rock >personalities. Does anyone know the name of this movie? 'Cool World'. (Note the lack of extraeneous re-post and sigs/headers/footers. Don't it make my online figure slimmer?) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <86.dd58ce4.2df68ebf [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:38:39 EDT Subject: Re: I'm cranky tonight Cc: Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com, rigger [at] tds.net In a message dated 6/7/4 3:47:47 PM, Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com wrote: <> Boys - You're assuming your email programs display things in the same way - they may not. On my home computer, Dave's sig is 6 lines (and I don't count an "empty" line after it, it is empty) On the computer at school it's 8. Both are reading AOL email. It's not a right vs. wrong, it's just a different. Top posting vs. bottom posting depends on the situation. Kind of like using your fingers or a fork to each chicken depends on what kind of restaurant you're at. (Napkins are never optional though!) The recommendation for this list has always been to TRIM the post to which you are replying so that only the germain parts remain. Get it small enough and it'll appear in the window so top vs bottom is moot. Please play nicely, gentlemen. You're in the same sandbox. Love, Mom :D ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040607204304.0168d120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:43:04 From: CB Subject: Re: Rings (warning: almost completely OT) >>Someone told me that he also did a movie >> involving some famous rock personalities. Does anyone know >> the name of this movie? > > "American >Pop" might be what you're thinking of, OTOH maybe not. OK, all kidding aside, 'American Pop' is probably what you are talking about. It was the story of a Russian immigrant klesmer musician's musically influenced life on through to his great grandson (the punk star), through two other generations, thus following the influences and changes of American musical culture. Lynyrd Skynyrd, Bob Seger, Lou Reed, The Doors, Pat Benatar, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, the list goes on, but this was his feature about music. OTOH, he was also peripherally involved in 'Heavy Metal', which featured many of the genre by the same name's eighties heroes. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00c401c44d0e$edc7ed40$0200a8c0 [at] om.cox.net> From: "John Gibilisco" References:

Subject: Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:13:18 -0500 From: "Jon Ares" > ....or just grab the "real" GM and slide it. Guess there IS value to having > a GM. Maybe Strand should consider it. :) Let them consider it if they choose, I guess I fall in the "Leave It" crowd. The first thing I do is disable the "real" GM's on our 500 series consoles. No matter what ETC or Strand does with GM's in the future is of no immediate consequence to me. I guess as long as I have a choice to add (as in Tony's case) or subtract (my case) I'm happy. It's good that at least Tony has an option. He can set up an FX-GM, SUB-GM and GM on 22,23 and 24 if he chooses. He may place them out of the way of the novice board op on page two. Add in the fact that none of these "masters" will mess with color rams or moving light attributes when faded. I think that is a pretty good value for the size console we are talking about. > sheesh... how many keystrokes does it take to use a 'virtual' GM? Answer.... 0 keystrokes on page 1 and 1 keystroke on page 2. ;-) Best, John Gibilisco Omaha Playhouse ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040607204548.0168d120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:45:48 From: CB Subject: Video signal routing > My Idea was >that if I can have some sort of switcher set up so that the SM can quickly >and easily assign what source is going to which monitor. I'd suggest security monitor switchers. If it's not for the audience, why pay for VI switching? There is a used market for security gear as well. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040607205214.0168d120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:52:14 From: CB Subject: Re: Rental Draperies... help please >Most calls are "I'd like to book the space in >six months, is this a good time to talk?" "This is the answering service, for emergencies, is this an emergency that requires that I contact Mr. So-and-so?" Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:38:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sarah Clausen asked: > I was having a chat with a colleague and we happened upon the subject of = > Grandmaster faders on lighting consoles >So, honestly, do you or do you not use a Grandmaster on your lighting = >console? I use mine. Of course, I'm using an old Teatronics Producer board, which is basically a two-scene pre-set board. Each rank can be used as either channels or as "Submasters", and there are ten additional submasters that are independent of the X/Y faders. The Grand master is the only way to bring everything to black when needed. Oh the joys of hand-me-down equipment. "I have always depended on the kindness of strangers" (and friends) Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40C5439F.1000404 [at] primary.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:42:07 -0500 From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? References: In-Reply-To: I have used GM's in the past when asked to provide stage light for onstage rehearsals or worklight. I would bring up lights, then lower everything using the grandmaster to about 75%-90% to help prolong the life of the lamps and color. If I had to leave the area for some reason, it would keep any other instruments brought up by inexperienced people from running at full. Found to be most useful for high school/community theater productions. More experienced/professional groups tend to not need this sidestep as often. Mike H ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:50:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > What I don't like is the blackout button. It gives you only a hint of > the functionality of the grandmaster yet it is another button for > curious ops to play with. I'll second that one! More than once I've accidentally hit the B/O button. It serves no useful purpose that I can see that can't be done with the grand master. The director of one kids' dance school recently insisted on having her own person run the light board. (Her husband, with no real experience). He insisted on using the Blackout button between each piece! AAUUGH!! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040607214148.0168d120 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:41:48 From: CB Subject: Re: I'm cranky tonight >Why waste even 6 (or 9) lines on repetitive self-aggrandizing? While I hate to jump into this kinda thing (especially when Dave is so damned good at taking care of himself), I do wonder about the person worrying about those nine lines while not trimming his own replies. And the request has been made so many times in so many ways. Look, when your house is clean you can start worrying about the mote in Dave's eye. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Video signal routing Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: <39870A65DDC5AF4F8FA39BD78F06BED13028C1 [at] carbon.payton.cps.k12.il.us> From: "Brian Desmond" For computers, you can find a scan converter without much of a problem. VGA in, composite out. Scan converters are one of those things where if you want it to last, buy a good one. Extron would be a good example of a good one, here.=20 --Brian Desmond desmondb [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us Payton on the Web! Http://www.wpcp.org =20 v: 773.534.0034 x135 f: 773.534.0035 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Feinberg [mailto:michaelf [at] joyce.eng.yale.edu]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 12:52 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Video signal routing For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- >I am trying to find a rack mountable video switcher capable of=20 >taking inputs from cameras a computer and a dvd/vcr . Does anyone=20 >know of one or where to start looking? >regards You first have to figure out what type of signals you're switching.=20 Cameras are typically composite (1 wire) or Y/C (2 wires). DVD=20 players will typically have both of those plus component (3 wire).=20 Computer outputs are now almost universally RGBHV (5 wire) though=20 some video cards also have composite and Y/C outputs to display on a=20 television. When connecting a computer to an external system, a box=20 known as a 'computer interface' is used to buffer the output and to=20 give you a connection point for a local monitor. If your display only has a single input, you'll need to adapt the=20 signals to that type and then route them into a switcher of the=20 appropriate type. If it has multiple inputs, you might be able to=20 use it as a switcher or only use a smaller switcher (i.e. run the DVD=20 player into a Y/C input and run several cameras through a composite=20 switcher into a composite input) To convert a composite, Y/C, or component signal to RGBHV you need=20 what is called a 'scaler'. To go the other direction, you need a=20 'scan converter'. To go from composite to Y/C and vice versa, you=20 need a transcoder. That terminology should help with your search. The other thing to check for is connectors: composite is typically a=20 single RCA or BNC connector; Y/C 2 BNCs or 1 miniDIN-4; component 3=20 RCA connectors; and RGBHV 1 HD15 connector or 5 BNC connectors.=20 Within a single type you only need mechanical adapters. There are many manufacturers of the above converters and of video=20 switchers for various signals. For top-end pro gear, look at=20 http://www.extron.com. For less expensive but still extremely=20 reliable equipment, try http://www.kramerus.com. Both also=20 manufacturer switchers that have integral scalers, so that all of the=20 inputs are then output as RGBHV. Let me know if you have more questions, or give us more information=20 so we can recommend a more specific product. -Michael Feinberg, CTS ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Video signal routing Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <39870A65DDC5AF4F8FA39BD78F06BED13028C2 [at] carbon.payton.cps.k12.il.us> From: "Brian Desmond" Yeah they have a whole variety. There is a serial port on most of the matrix series and above for control with a crestron, their cheesy computer program, or whatever else you can concoct that has a serial interface. --Brian Desmond desmondb [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us Payton on the Web! Http://www.wpcp.org =20 v: 773.534.0034 x135 f: 773.534.0035 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Adam Berns [mailto:ab [at] adamb.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 1:05 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Video signal routing For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- We have an extron matrix series. So far, it has been great. Some of their models have computer software for switching (I found this very helpful for doing Laramie Project). They usually have just BNC, for RGB/S, which either for a computer or for just about anything else we have hooked up to it works great. I do believe that you can also get modules designed for either a SVGA or S/Video, or just about anything else as well. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "pete quinlan" Reply-To: "Stagecraft" Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:19:19 +0800 For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Hello all, I am trying to find a rack mountable video switcher capable of taking inputs=20 from cameras a computer and a dvd/vcr . Does anyone know of one or where to=20 start looking? regards Pete Quinlan _________________________________________________________________ FOXTEL Digital - Your ticket to cinema at home: =20 http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7718915;9123289;x?http://www.foxtel.com .au/Campaign/channelchoice.html =20 ________________________________________________________________ =20 =20 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Video signal routing Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:51:42 -0500 Message-ID: <39870A65DDC5AF4F8FA39BD78F06BED13028C3 [at] carbon.payton.cps.k12.il.us> From: "Brian Desmond" Pete- You need a router, not a switcher. A switcher is for live stuff. A router is basically for sending inputs to multiple outputs without directly connecting them. You're also going to need a multiplexer in order to get the 8 pictures on the screens. I'd guess two of them, one per screen. You're going to need an 8 input 16 output router if you want to be able to send different signals to each multiplexer. Extron has a 16x16 router which would certainly work, and you'd have some room to grow. I'm not sure if Extron makes the device to combine the signals, but there are definitely folks out there that make one. As far as the LCD, I'm assuming you mean a computer monitor, which means you'll also need a pair of scan converters to convert back to VGA. You may want to see about a pair of LCDs with non VGA inputs to save on the scan converters here. --Brian Desmond desmondb [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us Payton on the Web! Http://www.wpcp.org =20 v: 773.534.0034 x135 f: 773.534.0035 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: pete quinlan [mailto:peterequinlan [at] hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:26 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Video signal routing For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Hello again, I am using the switcher in a stage management console I have been asked to=20 design. The spec asks for two LCD monitors capable displaying feeds from up=20 to eight sources including cameras a computer and a DVD/VCR. My Idea was=20 that if I can have some sort of switcher set up so that the SM can quickly=20 and easily assign what source is going to which monitor. The main idea of=20 the whole project is to create a console that is portable and adaptable. Thanks for your help Pete Quinlan _________________________________________________________________ Open an Online Savings Account today & collect a bonus $30*! =20 http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Video signal routing Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:57:09 -0500 Message-ID: <39870A65DDC5AF4F8FA39BD78F06BED13028C4 [at] carbon.payton.cps.k12.il.us> From: "Brian Desmond" > Getting the right cables made up may well prove a headache. Eh? It's not that hard to make cables for most any source. They don't even require a soldering iron (for the most part) or anything - just those cheesy twist on ones now for BNC, RCA, RG6... If you were feeling industrious, I suppose you could make your own VGA cables, though I'd probably rather watch paint dry before I decided to do that.=20 --Brian Desmond desmondb [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us Payton on the Web! Http://www.wpcp.org =20 v: 773.534.0034 x135 f: 773.534.0035 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com [mailto:FrankWood95 [at] aol.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 12:14 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Video signal routing For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 06/06/04 06:53:09 GMT Daylight Time,=20 michaelf [at] joyce.eng.yale.edu writes: > You first have to figure out what type of signals you're switching.=20 > Cameras are typically composite (1 wire) or Y/C (2 wires). DVD=20 > players will typically have both of those plus component (3 wire).=20 > Computer outputs are now almost universally RGBHV (5 wire) though=20 > some video cards also have composite and Y/C outputs to display on a=20 > television. When connecting a computer to an external system, a box=20 > known as a 'computer interface' is used to buffer the output and to=20 > give you a connection point for a local monitor. Interesting. There are three replies, so far, all offering the same advice,=20 more or less.=20 All the signals presented to the switcher need to be in the same format, that=20 is sure. What that should be depends on the least flexible piece of gear. Getting the right cables made up may well prove a headache. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Video signal routing Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:57:23 -0500 Message-ID: <39870A65DDC5AF4F8FA39BD78F06BED13028C5 [at] carbon.payton.cps.k12.il.us> From: "Brian Desmond" A switcher or a router? They're two different things. A switcher is the device which you use to do things like fade between the inputs. A router has a bank of inputs and outputs, and you map inputs to outputs (e.g. input 1 goes to ouputs 3, 5, and 7). Extron makes good highend routing gear. If you're looking for a switcher, it really depends on what you want. How many inputs? What are you doing with it? For basic stuff, a videonics would even be more than enough. It goes up the ladder, multimillion dollar 128 input Sony switchers, for example.=20 --Brian Desmond desmondb [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us Payton on the Web! Http://www.wpcp.org =20 v: 773.534.0034 x135 f: 773.534.0035 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: pete quinlan [mailto:peterequinlan [at] hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 12:19 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Video signal routing For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Hello all, I am trying to find a rack mountable video switcher capable of taking inputs from cameras a computer and a dvd/vcr . Does anyone know of one or where to start looking? regards Pete Quinlan _________________________________________________________________ FOXTEL Digital - Your ticket to cinema at home: =20 http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7718915;9123289;x?http://www.foxtel.com .au/ Campaign/channelchoice.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:44:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Video signal routing Message-ID: <20040607.231723.2492.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg With Avid AVR77s being tossed out in favor of Final Cut Pro 4s, it is not difficult to get an Avid or other nonlinear editor donated for your show. This will probably be easier to use for sophisticated cuing than a Grass Valley switcher left over from the 80s or 90s. /s/ Richard > Hello all, > I am trying to find a rack mountable video switcher capable > of taking inputs from cameras a computer and a dvd/vcr. > Does anyone know of one or where to start looking? > Pete Quinlan ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:12:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? Message-ID: <20040607.231723.2492.1.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Keep the GM as is. I can always use a small square of tape to block its travel if I ever want to. To ETC: If its not broken, don't fix it. /s/ Richard > If there's one there, do you disable it (via software or by sticking > tape beneath the fader)? > Sarah ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 02:23:07 -0400 From: JAXBEAR31 [at] aol.com Subject: Drapes/Curtains Message-ID: <217651E5.7F4E79A2.021F819D [at] aol.com> HI, Barney and I emailed each other quite a few times today discussing this issue...and you know what? He has a game plan and in the end...he'll do OK. I just hope he doesn't eat this rental whole and at least charges them half the rental or damages for sending them back ruined and wet. Eric S Thanks again for inviting me to stop by your shop. I will next time Im up in NY. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:01:47 -0400 From: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Adapt or sit on the sidelines Message-id: <1086678107.40c5645be6c31 [at] mail-www3.oit.umass.edu> "Paul Schreiner" writes: >> The only games I know that you can drink beer while playing >> is Saturday afternoon Slow pitch (I think it's required!) and >> bowling. >Ah, you forget darts. .......There's also horseshoes and golf, off >the top of my head. Paul, Darts (and that other bar sport, pool) are an art, not a mere game. As to Golf, I don't drink and Drive!!! ;-) I can't really speak to horseshoes or cricket. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Theatre Department 112 FAC West 151 Presidents Drive, Ofc.2 Amherst, Ma. 01003-9331 413-545-6821 voice 413-577-0025 fax mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040607205518.025e0730 [at] mail.ericminton.biz> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:08:52 -1000 From: Eric Minton Subject: Re: I'm cranky tonight In-Reply-To: References: Aloha To all I know my preference for E-mail is different and not good for digest readers but I prefer the original message to be quoted at the bottom in it's entirety because I don't always get to read the messages all the time in one sitting. If for some reason I do not understand the reply I can look at the first message at the bottom. Could the digest software be configured to removed repeated content so that in a digest the original is not repeated so many times ant the original appears at the bottom. This is also one of the reasons I like the subscription reminder at the bottom, most of the time it can be ignored but if needed, it's there. Mahalo Eric ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003601c44d2a$e73e9520$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:33:33 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gibilisco" > Actually you have 5 pages of 24 Subs on your 300 giving you 120 subs. You > can easily toggle to the new page by entering [sub page] +1 or [sub page] + > 2 command. (see manual for optional commands to do same thing) > > Set one of the fresh subs on page 2 as the GM. You could also write soft key > macros to quickly toggle between sub pages 1 and 2. > > Good Luck! > > John Gibilisco That's all very well, but still not as practical as a dedicated GM. I used to use the GM on our old desk when programming to record a blackout in between 2 scenes of the same settings - ie full stage rec at Q25, GM down to 0, rec DBO at Q26, GM back up to full and rec as Q27. I'd also use it for curtain calls, especially as you can't always predict how many might be wanted/demanded by an over-appreciative audience. I think the point is that for something that DOES have some valid uses, and doesn't take up a load of desk space, it really should be available on all desks (with a disable switch if necessary). Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40C56CD1.1020609 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:37:53 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: I'm cranky tonight References:

In-Reply-To: Eric Minton wrote: > To all I know my preference for E-mail is different and not good for > digest readers but I prefer the original message to be quoted at the > bottom in it's entirety because I don't always get to read the > messages all the time in one sitting. If for some reason I do not > understand the reply I can look at the first message at the bottom. > > Could the digest software be configured to removed repeated content so > that in a digest the original is not repeated so many times ant the > original appears at the bottom. More effort on the part of people replying would fix most of the repeated content. I try to always snip my own sig lines out when posting. It's not that hard to do. BTW, was the S/N ratio of this list always so poor or just since it's been back? David... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007001c44d2c$5daa05e0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Grandmasters - Love 'em or.....? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:44:01 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Purdy" . > > The director of one kids' dance school recently insisted on having her > own person run the light board. (Her husband, with no real experience). He > insisted on using the Blackout button between each piece! AAUUGH!! > > Bruce > -- LOL!! Been there - seen that! They see the 'blackout' button as THE way to black out, so 'of course' it has to be used for that function!!!!! 8-)))))))))))) Ynot ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040607215022.026a9ec0 [at] mail.ericminton.biz> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:00:48 -1000 From: Eric Minton Subject: Re: I'm cranky tonight In-Reply-To: References:

Aloha David responded to my post and trimmed what I wrote. Anyone reading his post without not seeing my original would get the wrong message. I got the wrong idea from reading what he left of my post. It appears I don't care about anyone else. This is false. What I am saying is that if I do not understand the response, I have the original to refer to. I am concerned about the digest user's also. That is why I asked if it were possible to control the digest format and only get one original included with the digest. Just so that if anyone does not understand, or see my original post, I am including it at the bottom. Eric At 09:37 PM 6/7/2004, you wrote: >For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending >your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ >--------------------------------------------------- > > >Eric Minton wrote: > >>To all I know my preference for E-mail is different and not good for >>digest readers but I prefer the original message to be quoted at the >>bottom in it's entirety because I don't always get to read the messages >>all the time in one sitting. If for some reason I do not understand the >>reply I can look at the first message at the bottom. >> >>Could the digest software be configured to removed repeated content so >>that in a digest the original is not repeated so many times ant the >>original appears at the bottom. > > >More effort on the part of people replying would fix most of the repeated >content. >I try to always snip my own sig lines out when posting. It's not that hard >to do. >BTW, was the S/N ratio of this list always so poor or just since it's been >back? >David... Aloha To all I know my preference for E-mail is different and not good for digest readers but I prefer the original message to be quoted at the bottom in it's entirety because I don't always get to read the messages all the time in one sitting. If for some reason I do not understand the reply I can look at the first message at the bottom. Could the digest software be configured to removed repeated content so that in a digest the original is not repeated so many times ant the original appears at the bottom. This is also one of the reasons I like the subscription reminder at the bottom, most of the time it can be ignored but if needed, it's there. Mahalo Eric ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #34 ****************************