Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #45 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:00:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #45 1. A good screw by Shell Dalzell 2. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by ken [at] kenholyoak.com (Ken Holyoak) 3. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu 4. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by "Tony Deeming" 5. Re: Wha...? (long rant) Hillary by James Kosmatka 6. wha...? by b Ricie 7. Re: Dummy Loads? by "Karl G. Ruling" 8. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by ken [at] kenholyoak.com (Ken Holyoak) 9. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by "Joe Meils" 10. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by "Paul Schreiner" 11. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by ken [at] kenholyoak.com (Ken Holyoak) 12. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by MissWisc [at] aol.com 13. Re: Hall Stage was RE: Frank in London by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 14. Re: A good screw by Shawn Palmer 15. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by "Delbert Hall" 16. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 17. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by Pat Kight 19. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by James Kosmatka 20. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by Pat Kight 21. Movies with shared titles (RE: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary) by "Michael Banvard" 22. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by "Delbert Hall" 23. Re: Scrap Wood by Chris Fretts 24. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by MissWisc [at] aol.com 25. Re: Peanuts, etc... by CB 26. Re: Peanuts, etc... by Jerry Durand 27. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by Charlie Richmond 28. Some People Still Don't Want You To See My Movie... From Michael Moore (fwd) by Charlie Richmond 29. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 30. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 31. Re: S4 Issues by Brian Aldous 32. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 33. Re: S4 Issues by 34. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by Jerry Durand 35. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by "RK Steck" 36. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 37. Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary by FREDERICK W FISHER 38. After hours number by Jerry Durand 39. Re: Wha...? (long rant) Hillary by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 40. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem by 41. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:15:21 -1000 Subject: A good screw From: Shell Dalzell Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Shawn Palmer > Subject: Re: Recycling >it still may take me six seconds of sorting to get a good screw. Make up your own joke. Aloha, Shell ------------------------------ From: ken [at] kenholyoak.com (Ken Holyoak) Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:19:29 -0500 Message-ID: <008a01c4552e$819b4630$0900a8c0 [at] COMPAQ> In-Reply-To: Kristi I would love to hear the source of that. Doesn't surprise me that she stole it, certainly not the first thing she stole. Kenneth. H. Holyoak Information + Insight = Profit POB 68633 Indianapolis, IN 46268-0633 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 In a message dated 6/17/4 10:09:58 PM, bipolarber [at] cyberback.com wrote: <<...and since it came from Hillary Clinton, obviously it must be a muddle headed liberal bit of BS, right? >> Hillary stole it... it's an African Proverb and if I can find the right issus of Teaching Tolerance magazine, I can tell you which tribe. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040618084153.ws5foccwg0cgs4so [at] webmail.longwood.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:41:53 -0400 From: schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary References: In-Reply-To: > Doesn't surprise me that she stole it, certainly not the first thing she > stole. Okay, everyone, personal politics aside, let's not get into this one. I clearly remember that Clinton herself explained the origin of the proverb when she was hawking the book in the first place, so "stole" in this case is merely an (IMHO) unfortunate choice of words on Kristi's behalf. Clinton gave credit where credit was due; just because she wasn't the originator of the proverb doesn't make her a thief or a fraud. Now, if you want to discuss any sort of fraudulousness w/r/t books like this, you might wanna look into how much of the book she actually wrote herself... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <060f01c45534$19b529e0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:59:32 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: > Now, if you want to discuss any sort of fraudulousness w/r/t books like this, > you might wanna look into how much of the book she actually wrote herself... > > Which would really be a non-starter, too.... How many 'autobiographies' are actually written BY the person written about? (in fact how many autobiographees can actually string two unaided sentences together when speaking, let alone a volume in print.....?!!!) Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040618131043.90619.qmail [at] web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: James Kosmatka Subject: Re: Wha...? (long rant) Hillary In-Reply-To: To say that Clinton "stole" the statement "It takes a village to raise a child," is like saying Shakespeare "stole", well, a whole lot of his material or Thomas Jefferson "stole" the concept of "life, liberty and pursuit of happness [or property]" from John Locke. Let's get a brief synopsis straight from Clinton's own book (http://tinyurl.com/yvsbx), and then maybe some of you can actually judge her beliefs on what they are, rather than what you THINK they are. ;) "I chose that old African proverb to title this book because it offers a timeless reminder that children will thrive only if their families thrive and if the whole of soceity cares enough to provide for them. Soon after I began writing, a friend sent me the cartoon on this page, w hich I think about every time I hear someone say that children are not the responsibility of anyone outside their family. "The sage who first offered that proverb would undoubtedly be bewildered by what constitutes the modern village. In earlier times and places--and until recently in our own culture--the "village" meant an actual geographic place where individuals and families lived and worked together. To many pepole the word still conjures bup a road sign that reads, 'Hometown U.S.A., pop. 5,340,' followed by emblems of the local churches and civic clubs. "For most of us, though, the village doesn't look like that anymore. In fact, it's difficult to paint a picture of the modern village, so frantic and fragmented has much of our culture become. Extended families rarely live in the same town, let alone the same house. In many communities, crime and fear keep us behind locked doors. Where we used to chat with neighbors on stoops and porches, now we watch videos in our darkened living rooms. Instead of strolling down Main Street, we spend hours in automobiles and at anonymous shopping malls. We don't join civic associations, churches, unions, political parties, or even bowling leagues the way we used to... "To many, this brave new world seems dehumanizing and inhospitable. It is not surprising, then, that there is a yearning for the 'good old days' as a refuge from the problems of the present. But by turning away, we blind ourselves to the continuing, evolving presence of the village in our lives, and its critical importance for how we live together. The village can no longer be defined as a place on map, or a list of people or organizations, but its essence remains the same: it is the network of values and relationships that support and affect our lives." --- Ken Holyoak wrote: > Doesn't surprise me that she stole it, certainly not > the first thing she > stole. ... > In a message dated 6/17/4 10:09:58 PM, > bipolarber [at] cyberback.com wrote: > > <<...and since it came from Hillary Clinton, > obviously it must be a muddle > > headed liberal bit of BS, right? >> > > Hillary stole it... it's an African Proverb and if I > can find the right > issus > of Teaching Tolerance magazine, I can tell you which > tribe. > > Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040618132756.13624.qmail [at] web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: wha...? In-Reply-To: <> >Other than being a sound bite, exactly what is that >supposed to mean? When I was a child I needed to mind my p's and Q's. If I did not then I would be corrected by a teacher, neighbor, or whomever, along with the added threat of them telling my parents. What the "sound bite" means is when you see a child doing the wrong thing, you should do the right thing and correct the child rather than turning a blind eye. ===== Brian Rice b_ricie [at] yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:02:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Dummy Loads? Message-ID: <40D2BDAF.9087.8CD2C51 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: > > I am a little surprised that you don't have the opposite problem. I > have had more problems with small loads not turning off. Things like > small strobes will trigger off the warming voltage from the dimmer. > The solution is to hang a 20 watt light bulb across the dimmer > backstage and solve your problem. > I'm not sure running a bubble machine motor on a dimmer is what you want to do (motors are pretty dim even when run at full), but if you want to use the dimmer to turn on and off the power, I suggest using a larger load than 20 watts. Twenty-watts will get the dimmer to turn on and seem to work okay, but the AC output with that small resistive load parallelled with an inductive load on some dimmers may be quite asymmetrical, with one half of the sine wave conducting longer than the other. This puts a substantial amount of DC through the inductive load (the bubble machine motor), and can burn it out. I have six fairly expensive toroidal transformers in my garage right now, all burned out because the ghost load used with them (20 watts) was too low. The transformers fed some low-voltage lamps used in a shadow puppet show. The ghost loads made the dimmers dim okay (they wouldn't dim at all without the 20-watt loads), but instead of the transformers drawing the half ampere or so they should have to power the lamps, the transformers drew about ten amps because of the DC in the dimmer output. The dimmers would deliver that without complaining and fried the transformers, one by one. The solutions with my problem are to modify the snubber circuits on the dimmers, get better dimmers, or to use larger ghost loads. The larger ghost loads solution is the simplest and cheapest. How much larger? I don't know. For an exact answer, I need to buy at least one new transformer, but an oscilloscope on the dimmer output so I can see what is happening, and try different ghost loads. A simpler answer is "The bigger the better." The resistive load should be several times the inductive load to swamp the inductive load's effects, so if the inductive load is 100 VA, for example, I might use a 500W lamp--a small fresnel. Nothing is hurt if the ghost load is bigger than it needs to be; the inductive load fries if the ghost load is too small. I didn't pick the 20W lamps. ------------------------------ From: ken [at] kenholyoak.com (Ken Holyoak) Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: <009e01c45545$b79f20a0$0900a8c0 [at] COMPAQ> In-Reply-To: No, then what makes her a thief and a fraud, start with her stock transactions and work you way along..... Kenneth. H. Holyoak Information + Insight =3D Profit POB 68633 Indianapolis, IN 46268-0633 =20 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 7:42 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Doesn't surprise me that she stole it, certainly not the first thing = she > stole. Okay, everyone, personal politics aside, let's not get into this one. =20 I clearly remember that Clinton herself explained the origin of the proverb when = she was hawking the book in the first place, so "stole" in this case is merely = an (IMHO) unfortunate choice of words on Kristi's behalf. Clinton gave = credit where credit was due; just because she wasn't the originator of the = proverb doesn't make her a thief or a fraud. Now, if you want to discuss any sort of fraudulousness w/r/t books like this, you might wanna look into how much of the book she actually wrote = herself... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001101c45549$93ad53c0$abecbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References: Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:33:16 -0500 Yeah, just look at her shady business dealings! She took tons of money from Enron for her election campaign in exchange for tax breaks... (Oh, wait, that was Bush) Or how she was the CEO of Haliburton and gave them the contract for billions to rebuild Iraq without any competition for bids.... (Oh, wait, that was Cheany) Well, maybe you could talk about how she OK'ed the torture and murder of detainees who were NOT accused of being terrorists in both Cuba and in Abhu Graihb.... (Oh, wait, that was Rumsfeld).... Of course, we could talk about the way she pumped up the intelligence to justify a "pre-emtive" war.... (Ooops, my bad, that was Bush again...) This could go on for a long time..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Holyoak" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- No, then what makes her a thief and a fraud, start with her stock transactions and work you way along..... Kenneth. H. Holyoak Information + Insight = Profit POB 68633 Indianapolis, IN 46268-0633 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 7:42 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Doesn't surprise me that she stole it, certainly not the first thing she > stole. Okay, everyone, personal politics aside, let's not get into this one. I clearly remember that Clinton herself explained the origin of the proverb when she was hawking the book in the first place, so "stole" in this case is merely an (IMHO) unfortunate choice of words on Kristi's behalf. Clinton gave credit where credit was due; just because she wasn't the originator of the proverb doesn't make her a thief or a fraud. Now, if you want to discuss any sort of fraudulousness w/r/t books like this, you might wanna look into how much of the book she actually wrote herself... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200406181545.i5IFjhBI011673 [at] webmail.longwood.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:45:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: >> Yeah, just look at her shady business dealings! She took tons >> of money from Enron > > No, then what makes her a thief and a fraud, start with her > stock transactions and work you way along..... *phweet!* I'll admit, I'm guilty of prodding this thread along, but my intention was to get everyone to pause for a moment. Just cuz someone carries on shady dealings in one aspect of business or life or whatever does NOT make everything that person does unethical. We are painting the acts of these people with WAAAAAY to broad a brush. Clinton may have done some unethical things w/r/t stock transactions and such, but titling her book the way she did has NOTHING to do with that, and IMO was a perfectly valid means of getting her point across. What Bush, et al have done in the past w/r/t some of the other dealings mentioned does NOT mean that they aren't perfectly ethically-minded card players or book-titlers or whatever. In the narrow view of the discussion, people made some comments regarding a characterization (made by someone else on this list) that Clinton "stole" a book title. That implies she took it without giving credit to the originators, and/or tried to pass it off as her own creation. That would be stealing. That is NOT what happened, and to impugn her character FOR THIS ACTION is wrong and unjustified. And below what I would hope would be the standard of professionalism and clear-headedness and fairness that I thought we espoused and that we are supposed try to live up to in our personal and professional lives. Now please, can someone prove me right on this particular hope of mine? ------------------------------ From: ken [at] kenholyoak.com (Ken Holyoak) Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00aa01c4554b$f74a0cf0$0900a8c0 [at] COMPAQ> In-Reply-To: Joe Sorry I started, clearly some of us like Bush and some like Clinton and that's an argument for the voters (and maybe the Supreme Court) to = decide in November. Should have resisted the shot at good old Hilleary, but its hard.=20 Kenneth. H. Holyoak Information + Insight =3D Profit POB 68633 Indianapolis, IN 46268-0633 =20 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Joe = Meils Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:33 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Yeah, just look at her shady business dealings! She took tons of money = from Enron for her election campaign in exchange for tax breaks... (Oh, wait, that was Bush) Or how she was the CEO of Haliburton and gave them the contract for billions to rebuild Iraq without any competition for = bids.... (Oh, wait, that was Cheany) Well, maybe you could talk about how she = OK'ed the torture and murder of detainees who were NOT accused of being = terrorists in both Cuba and in Abhu Graihb.... (Oh, wait, that was Rumsfeld).... Of course, we could talk about the way she pumped up the intelligence to justify a "pre-emtive" war.... (Ooops, my bad, that was Bush again...) = This could go on for a long time..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Holyoak" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- No, then what makes her a thief and a fraud, start with her stock transactions and work you way along..... Kenneth. H. Holyoak Information + Insight =3D Profit POB 68633 Indianapolis, IN 46268-0633 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 7:42 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Doesn't surprise me that she stole it, certainly not the first thing = she > stole. Okay, everyone, personal politics aside, let's not get into this one. I clearly remember that Clinton herself explained the origin of the proverb when = she was hawking the book in the first place, so "stole" in this case is merely = an (IMHO) unfortunate choice of words on Kristi's behalf. Clinton gave = credit where credit was due; just because she wasn't the originator of the = proverb doesn't make her a thief or a fraud. Now, if you want to discuss any sort of fraudulousness w/r/t books like this, you might wanna look into how much of the book she actually wrote = herself... ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <144.2c418569.2e046b34 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:58:44 EDT Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Cc: schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu In a message dated 6/18/4 7:42:34 AM, schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu wrote: << so "stole" in this case is merely an (IMHO) unfortunate choice of words on Kristi's behalf.>> OK for the legalistic of us... She PLAGERIZED it. ... No where on the title of the book do I see any indication for a footnote. ;) (cover note???) I don't have time now to look for the magazine where I learned it,. but my brain is thinking it's Swahili - spoken in western Aftica. Someone can Google and find it, I bet. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:10:19 -0400 From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Hall Stage was RE: Frank in London Message-ID: <4811FFF5.24B9F672.0016695D [at] aol.com> In a message dated 6/17/2004 7:16:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, halld [at] etsu.edu writes: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I think Bill means Hall Stage (http://www.hallstage.com) not Hall > Associates. > Yeah. I guess I shouldn't have had that pint first. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40D31485.7020809 [at] northnet.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:12:53 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: A good screw References: In-Reply-To: > >it still may take me six seconds of sorting to get a good screw. > > Make up your own joke. > > Aloha, Shell Stepped right into that one, didn't I? Shawn ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:20:52 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000101c45550$43c89520$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: Sorry to have to correct you but titles of books, plays, and songs cannot be copyrighted, therefore it was not plagiarized and there was no reason for a footnote. -Delbert -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:59 AM To: Stagecraft Cc: schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 6/18/4 7:42:34 AM, schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu wrote: << so "stole" in this case is merely an (IMHO) unfortunate choice of words on Kristi's behalf.>> OK for the legalistic of us... She PLAGERIZED it. ... No where on the title of the book do I see any indication for a footnote. ;) (cover note???) I don't have time now to look for the magazine where I learned it,. but my brain is thinking it's Swahili - spoken in western Aftica. Someone can Google and find it, I bet. Kristi ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d0.23c5e07a.2e04810d [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:31:57 EDT Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? In a message dated 18/06/04 04:27:52 GMT Daylight Time, matg [at] comcast.net writes: > I'm curious, though, to what you're all refering to why it makes sense? > The wave form being clipped? I fully admit I dont understand exactly how > a dimmer works -- I claim sound as my specialty. Are there some decent > articles about about how dimmers work, if the subject is too involved > for a post? The basic incoming mains supply is a sine wave. A thyristor is a powerful semiconductor switch, which can be turned on by a short pulse. The control signal varies the timing of this pulse, from the start of a half-cycle for full on, to nearer the end for dimmed states. At the current zero, it turns off. This changes the RMS voltage supplied to the lamp, and hence its brightness. As I said, there are two things to bear in mind. First, you will get a seriously non- sinusoidal output. Lamps don't mind, but motors probably will. Second, the thyristor needs a minimum current to stay turned on. How much depends on the actual semiconductor, but big ones, as used in dimmers, need more than small ones. I think the second point is what is causing your problem, bearing that US thyristors are twice as fat as UK ones. A ballast draws enough current to keep the thyristor ON. When we re-wired, we had some switch-only circuits installed. Six of them were solid-state switches, which are silent, and good for lightning effects. The other six are old-fashioned contactors, good for small or reactive loads, but noisier. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <67.2bf9a6bb.2e048394 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:42:44 EDT Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary In a message dated 18/06/04 17:24:45 GMT Daylight Time, halld [at] etsu.edu writes: > Sorry to have to correct you but titles of books, plays, and songs > cannot be copyrighted, therefore it was not plagiarized and there was no > reason for a footnote. No, they can't. But it's better not to do it. Shortly before publication, an English author found that the title he had chosen was being used by someone else. The book had already been printed. Honourably, he gave it a new title. I have a first edition, with the dust jacket. This has the original title lined out, and the new one overprinted. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40D32C11.6050603 [at] peak.org> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:53:21 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary References: In-Reply-To: Delbert Hall wrote: >Sorry to have to correct you but titles of books, plays, and songs >cannot be copyrighted, therefore it was not plagiarized and there was no >reason for a footnote. > Nor, for that matter, can folk sayings. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040618180030.88352.qmail [at] web50504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: James Kosmatka Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary In-Reply-To: I seem to recall Mel Gibson not being allowed, or otherwise chossing not to, to title his film _The Passion_ due to another film being made at the same time with the same title. Is this a rule of the MPAA or was it a decision on Gibson's part? --- FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 18/06/04 17:24:45 GMT Daylight > Time, halld [at] etsu.edu writes: > > > Sorry to have to correct you but titles of books, > plays, and songs > > cannot be copyrighted, therefore it was not > plagiarized and there was no > > reason for a footnote. > > No, they can't. But it's better not to do it. > Shortly before publication, an > English author found that the title he had chosen > was being used by someone > else. The book had already been printed. Honourably, > he gave it a new title. I > have a first edition, with the dust jacket. This has > the original title lined > out, and the new one overprinted. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40D32EFE.1090800 [at] peak.org> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:05:50 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary References: In-Reply-To: James Kosmatka wrote: >I seem to recall Mel Gibson not being allowed, or >otherwise chossing not to, to title his film _The >Passion_ due to another film being made at the same >time with the same title. > >Is this a rule of the MPAA or was it a decision on >Gibson's part? > Gibson's call, probably to prevent people from confusing his film with any of several others titled "The Passion." A quick search on the Internet Movie Database (http://imdb.com) shows that there are many, many films that share common titles. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: "Michael Banvard" Subject: Movies with shared titles (RE: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:13:06 -0500 Organization: Sapsis Rigging Midwest Message-ID: <002901c4555f$ea875bd0$6601a8c0 [at] Gelert> In-Reply-To: > A quick search on the Internet Movie Database (http://imdb.com) shows > that there are many, many films that share common titles. > > -- > Pat Kight > kightp [at] peak.org One of my favorite movies is Heaven and Earth, an out of print movie from Japan about Shoguns battling for control of Feudal Japan. Most searches I made turned up Oliver Stone's film, with nothing to do with my movie. Frustrating, to be sure. Finally found an unopened copy on E-Bay. Still haven't transferred it to DVD. PS - I'm back! Michael J. Banvard SRI Midwest Saint Louis, Missouri (866)773-1174 (314)773-1174 fax www.sapsis-rigging.com ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:15:34 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000901c45560$3fe4d800$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: The fact that H.G Wells had a popular novel called "The Invisible Man" did not stop Ralph Ellison for titling his novel "Invisible Man" without a footnote about Well's earlier novel. And, Kenny Rogers and Stix both had songs titled "Lady" which were on the pop music charts at the same time (1976 IIRC). There have also been at least two different songs with the title "Best of My Love." There are many, many examples of different works with exact or similar titles. -Delbert -----Original Message----- No, they can't. But it's better not to do it. Shortly before publication, an English author found that the title he had chosen was being used by someone else. The book had already been printed. Honourably, he gave it a new title. I have a first edition, with the dust jacket. This has the original title lined out, and the new one overprinted. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: Chris Fretts Subject: Re: Scrap Wood Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:58:17 -0500 Quoting usctd [at] columbia.sc: > What do all you scene shop types do with weird pieces of scrap sheet > goods. I am going into my 3rd year here and am trying to come up with > ways to free up some real estate. We have a scrap box that is out of > control and kind of unsafe. We try to save as much as we can due to > budget. Any brilliant ideas? > Eric Rouse > TD-University of SC, Columbia > Freelance Foyboy At first, we save the potentially useful pieces of scrap plywood, luaun and OSB in our vertical scrap bin and in a pile under one of the shop tables. About every three weeks one lucky carpenter thins the herd during an end of the day cleanup and takes those pieces and cuts them into 5"x10" plates (grain running long direction). These plates are then stored neatly in the shop and near the stage and are readily handy for the miscellaneous shim, connection, bracket, gusset or other small projects. You'd be surprised how useful they are during load-ins and therefore how many you go through over a season. We use them in all thicknesses from 1/8" up to 3/4". Chris Fretts Technical Director Indiana Repertory Theatre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:57:35 -0400 From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Message-ID: <77AEB487.4746049C.007B9F2A [at] aol.com> Delbert - No need to apologize. I know titles can't be copyrighted else we wouldn't have so many songs named "Lady" or "Etude" ;) The point is she,(or as pointed out to me in a private email... her ghost writer), chose to use someone else's words rather than come up with her own. She could have called it "All Our Children" but then some guy from ABC would probably sue. ; BTW - My college defined plagerism as a form of theft. It's taking/using something that belongs to someone else without their permission. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040618115939.018322f8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:59:39 From: CB Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc... >But it seemed some people were >jumping all over him for god forbid people being aware of what was in the >food they prepare so HE could make a decision whether to eat it or not. Not >that they shouldn't make it or serve it in the first place. That was sort of my point. If he goes to class (say he's a fifth grader) knowing that he's allergic to some stuff, and one of the kids brings cupcakes, and doesn't know whether or not there are any peanuts in the cupcakes, he shouldn't have any. To suggest that because he is allergic, and has to sit out of the cake-fest is a good reason to interrupt the flow of cupcakes into the classroom is folly. As well as the long list of other anti-darwinist package warnings out there. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040618131613.028a6cd8 [at] localhost> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:25:08 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc... In-Reply-To: References: At 04:59 AM 6/18/2004, you wrote: >If he goes to class (say he's a fifth grader) >knowing that he's allergic to some stuff, and one of the kids brings >cupcakes, and doesn't know whether or not there are any peanuts in the >cupcakes, he shouldn't have any. And as I had mentioned, even if they were home made and you had all the ingredient packages in front of you, you STILL wouldn't know if there was any peanut residue in them. You could be pretty sure, but not certain. Mills, packaging machines, transport barges, etc. are pretty much all used for multiple purposes (not to mention insects/rodents going from one bin to the other with residue on them). Now, most people know about peanut problems so the companies take extra care, but when you're dealing with barge loads of flour, people don't think twice about that small pile of unidentified powder from the last trip (it's obviously edible since it's a food barge), it just gets mixed in. Also, flavorings and other additives are made from all sorts of things. My allergy isn't severe, so I'm lucky. Other people have much more severe reactions. When I worked in semiconductors we had a lady die from a reaction to a chemical before the medical people could get there, the chemical was considered safe to work around but she was apparently allergic. Nobody knew until she walked into the room and died. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:35:21 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > No, they can't. But it's better not to do it. Shortly before publication, an Many many books have the same title. Many songs have the same title, etc. This is not a sin folks... it may not be a good idea, though ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:45:57 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Some People Still Don't Want You To See My Movie... From Michael Moore (fwd) Message-ID: Since we're in a political mood on the list. I know this won't change any = minds=20 but it may help get the word out. Sorry but I think this whole thing is ve= ry=20 important regardless of what you think of Michael Moore personally... Charlie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 18 Jun 2004 03:57:57 -0000 From: mailinglist [at] michaelmoore.com Subject: Some People Still Don't Want You To See My Movie... From Michael Moore June 17, 2004 Friends, We're a week away from the nationwide opening of "Fahrenheit 9/11" and not = a day goes by where we don't have some new battle to fight thanks to those = who are still working overtime to keep people from seeing this film. What's= their problem? Are they worried about something? A Republican PR firm has formed a fake grassroots front group called "Move = America Forward" to harass and intimidate theater owners into not showing "= Fahrenheit 9/11." These are the same people who successfully badgered CBS i= nto canceling the Reagan mini-series a few months ago. And they are spendin= g a ton of money this week to threaten movie theaters who even think about = showing our movie. As of this morning, a little over 500 theaters have agreed to show the movi= e beginning next Friday, June 25. There are three national/regional theater= chains who, as of today, have not booked the movie in their theaters. One = theater owner in Illinois has reported receiving death threats. The right wing usually wins these battles. Their basic belief system is bui= lt on censorship, repression, and keeping people ignorant. They want to lim= it or snuff out any debate or dissension. They also don't like pets and are= mean to small children. Too many of them are named "Fred." This new nut group is the Right's last hope in limiting how many people can= see this movie. All of their other efforts have failed. Let's recap: 1. Roger Friedman at FOX News reported that the head of the company which f= irst agreed to fund our film =93got calls from Republican friends=94 pressu= ring them to back out. And they did. But... Miramax immediately picked up t= he film! Except... 2. Michael Eisner, the chairman of Disney, then blocked Miramax (a company = owned by Disney) from releasing the film once it was finished. But... publi= c attention and embarrassment forced Disney to let the Weinstein brothers o= f Miramax find another distributor! But... 3. Instead of a new distributor stepping right in -- as all the media predi= cted would happen -- it took another month to find distributors who would t= ake on this movie. A number of other distributors, thanks to various pressu= res, were afraid to get involved. It looked for a while that we would be di= stributing this ourselves. But then Lions Gate and IFC Films rode in to the= rescue! So, we have beaten back all attempts to kill this movie, and the only thing= in the way of you now seeing "Fahrenheit 9/11" is this Republican big-mone= y front group trying to force theaters not to show the movie.=20 Please, contact your local theaters and let them know you want to see "Fahr= enheit 9/11." Tell them that some people don't know that this is America an= d that we believe in freedom of speech and the importance of ALL voices bei= ng heard. (The members of MoveOn.org=97an ACTUAL grassroots organization=97= have done a very cool thing. They are pledging to send a message to theater= owners and are planning to attend a showing of the film on its opening wee= kend.) I appreciate their efforts, but you don=92t have to be a member of MoveOn t= o help stop this effort to keep =93Fahrenheit 9/11=94 from making it to scr= eens across the country. If a theater in your area is planning to show the = film, just give them a call and thank them for standing up for the freedom = of speech. If your local theater isn't showing the film, call them and let = them know that you would like to see it and you'd like them to show it.=20 The White House and their minions in our media have presented one distorted= version of the truth after another for the past four years. All we are ask= ing for is the right to show what they HAVEN'T shown us, the real truth. Th= e truth that ain't pretty (and is, sadly, damningly hilarious).=20 On top of all this, the MPAA gave the film an "R" rating. I want all teenag= ers to see this film. There is nothing in the film in terms of violence tha= t we didn't see on TV every night at the dinner hour during the Vietnam War= =2E Of course, that's the point, isn't it? The media have given the real fo= otage from Iraq a "cleansing" -- made it look nice, easy to digest. Mario C= uomo has offered to be our lawyer in appealing this ruling by the MPAA. Fra= nkly, I would like to think the MPAA is saying that the actions by the Bush= administration are so abhorrent and revolting, we need to protect our chil= dren from seeing what they have done. In that case, the film should be rate= d NC-17! However it turns out, I trust all of you teenagers out there will find your= way into a theater to see this movie. If the government believes it is OK = to send slightly older teenagers to their deaths in Iraq, I think at the ve= ry least you should be allowed to see what they are going to draft you for = in a couple of years. Finally, some very sophisticated individuals have been hacking into and shu= tting down our website. It is an hourly fight to keep it up. We are going t= o find out who is doing this and we are going to pursue a criminal prosecut= ion. I'm preparing lots of cool stuff for the site so watch for new items o= n it next week (www.fahrenheit911.com and www.michaelmoore.com).=20 Thanks again for your support and I hope to see you at the movies on openin= g night, June 25. Yours, Michael Moore PS. I am sponsoring a number of benefits around the country next week for l= ocal and national peace and justice groups, including Military Families Spe= ak Out and September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows. Please check you= r local papers and my website next week for further details. PPS. Also, I am going to be on the =93Late Show with David Letterman=94 on = Friday night. It's on CBS at 11:35 PM Eastern and Pacific. And on Monday mo= rning (June 21) I will be on =93The Today Show=94 on NBC. Next week, Jon St= ewart and Conan. I'd go on O'Reilly but, like a coward, he walked out on a = screening we invited him to (with Al Franken just a few rows away!). I pers= onally caught him sneaking out. Embarrassed, he tried to change the subject= =2E He said, "When are you coming on my show?" and I said, "Turn around and= watch the rest of the movie and I will come on your show." He walked out. = Fair and balanced. ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1cd.23cbb6f1.2e04bebe [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:55:10 EDT Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? matg writes: >The wave form being clipped? I fully admit I dont understand exactly how a dimmer works Brief answer: The solid state device (SCR) that controls the power in a dimmer, switches on and off very rapidly. The percentage of "on" v.s. "off" time determines the output level. Alternating Current is constantly varying in voltage. One cycle (of 60 per second in North America) starts at zero volts, rises to 170 peak volts, returns to zero, and then drops to negative 170 peak volts before returning to zero at the end of the cycle. Ideally, this cycle is a perfect sine wave in shape as a plot of voltage over time. The nominal voltage is the RMS value: 120 Volts. (RMS value of a sine wave is 0.707 times the peak value.) By switching the current on and off during the cycle, the RMS value is changed but this switching also cuts off the normal rise and fall of the sine wave. A resistance load (lamp) can live with the chopping. An inductive load (motor windings, transformer, ballast, electronics) will react badly to the chopping. Overheating is the typical byproduct that leads to component failure. Another artifact of this waveform chopping is the rise of harmonic currents in the neutral wire of a three phase system that can equal or exceed the current on the "hot" wires. Hence, the electric code specifies that the neutral must be considered as a current carrying conductor. It is possible to get much more technical but maybe this short answer will help some. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15e.3064579f.2e04bed3 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:55:31 EDT Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... > Just wondering, did this topic generate anywhere near the same level of > response on RATS? >>Yes, only more so. I guess that proves that peanuts are a *sensitive* subject? SteveV Orl, FL ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Brian Aldous Subject: Re: S4 Issues Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:22:17 -0400 > You'll always have a fairly sharp edge to the beam of light. This is > usually accompanied by a distinct shadow being cast by each of the > clips that support the lenses in place in the barrel. As an LD who's always in different theatres, I have to say that this=20 sounds like a fairly typical 36=FB Source 4. If you want a soft edge,=20= use frost. > We've had a situation that's come up with a few of the 50=BC barrels > where one 50 will look like it has the appropriate spread, and the > second will have a spread somewhere between a 26 and a 36. Again, > we've checked the lenses, their placement, orientation, etc. but > found nothing to suggest that something's wrong. Any ideas? Oh, okay. Take Sarah's advice. Call ETC. They are pretty helpful. =20 If only they'd make the 50=FB about 9" shorter and have a flat field so=20= we could use templates in them... BA ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <159.37f77d00.2e04c946 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:40:06 EDT Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? In a message dated 18/06/04 22:55:48 GMT Daylight Time, StevevETTrn [at] aol.com writes: > Another artifact of this waveform chopping is the rise of harmonic currents > in the neutral wire of a three phase system that can equal or exceed the > current on the "hot" wires. > Hence, the electric code specifies that the neutral must be considered as a > current carrying conductor. Some disbelief. The neutral carries the out-of-balance current. In an extreme case, this can be the total load current. As the phase balance improves, the neutral current goes down, to zero with perfect balance. But the neutral needs to be of the same size as the phase wiring, just in case. I know that there is a commonly held belief that the harmonics created by thyristors may add in the neutral. It is not one that I share, and to those who do, may I ask you at what level they occurr? Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: S4 Issues Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:43:25 -0400 Message-Id: <20040618224325.LKJO1360.de-fe02.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe02> > If only they'd make the 50û about 9" shorter and have a flat field so > we could use templates in them... I've never had problems with templates in our 50 degree S4's. I haven't looked that closely at them and none of our LD's have ever complained. I'll have to look at them a little more closely next week when the LD does gobos from the 4th elect on the cyc like he does every year. Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040618154329.028abe48 [at] localhost> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:45:54 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? In-Reply-To: References: At 03:40 PM 6/18/2004, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >Some disbelief. The neutral carries the out-of-balance current. In an extreme >case, this can be the total load current. As the phase balance improves, the >neutral current goes down, to zero with perfect balance. But the neutral >needs >to be of the same size as the phase wiring, just in case. > >I know that there is a commonly held belief that the harmonics created by >thyristors may add in the neutral. It is not one that I share, and to >those who >do, may I ask you at what level they occurr? Frank, I believe we just went through the math on this before you re-signed up to the list. Does someone have the link to the page that describes this? The short answer is that on dimmed 3-phase circuits the neutral can carry MORE than any individual "hot" line. In single phase circuits, the neutral carries up to the current in one "hot" line. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: "RK Steck" Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:04:12 -0700 Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <001301c45588$9253b890$c0f3fea9 [at] rksteck1> In-Reply-To: Kristi, As someone pointed out earlier, she explains her title and where it came from within the text of her book. It is a proverb not attributed to any single individual which typically means it is considered "common property" and thus available for all sorts of uses, including titles of books. Most writers choose their titles carefully and after the book's been written. How many times have we wondered why the book's been titled thus and then upon reading through it we find the phrase that the title has been pulled from? The title is usually the reason why the author has written the book in the first place. I think criticizing Senator Clinton for common practices (this includes the use of a ghost writer) is a tad unfair and I have to wonder why she has become such an immense target (not only on this listserv). For those interested in copyright law, the US Copyright Office has a wonderful webpage: http://www.copyright.gov/ Sincerely, RK Steck University of Oregon ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.2511c86d.2e04d2ff [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:21:35 EDT Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? In a message dated 18/06/04 23:46:35 GMT Daylight Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > Frank, I believe we just went through the math on this before you re-signed > up to the list. Does someone have the link to the page that describes this? > > The short answer is that on dimmed 3-phase circuits the neutral can carry > MORE than any individual "hot" line. In single phase circuits, the neutral > carries up to the current in one "hot" line. I do not believe this. Full stop. The only dimmers I have heard of which created such problems were early thyratrons. Tubes! They caused the TOTAL load current to flow down the neutral, and meant that you needed an expensive star-delta transformer to balance the load. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:15:02 -0500 From: FREDERICK W FISHER Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary Message-id: <69415b692909.69290969415b [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Date: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:58 am Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Hillary > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------- > ------------------ > > In a message dated 6/18/4 7:42:34 AM, schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu wrote: > << so "stole" in this case is merely an (IMHO) unfortunate choice > of words on > Kristi's behalf.>> > > > OK for the legalistic of us... She PLAGERIZED it. ... No where on > the title > of the book do I see any indication for a footnote. ;) (cover > note???) > I don't have time now to look for the magazine where I learned > it,. but my > brain is thinking it's Swahili - spoken in western Aftica. Someone > can Google > and find it, I bet. > > Kristi As I recall, she made a point of saying, when the book came out, that the title came from an old African saying and was the point of her book. That's not stealing or plagerizing. Fred ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040618171424.026de7b0 [at] localhost> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:17:28 -0700 Cc: Show-Control [at] yahoogroups.com From: Jerry Durand Subject: After hours number We just received a new after hours number since our cell provider couldn't figure out how to transfer the number from our old, broken phone to our new one. I sent out an update to our customer list, but some bounced. If you need our after hours number, please contact me (I don't want to just post it for all the telemarketers to find). ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <54.2c5c425e.2e0501dc [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:41:32 EDT Subject: Re: Wha...? (long rant) Hillary James quotes: >"The village ..... is the network of values and relationships that support and affect our lives." This gets to the heart of the matter. The debate (or shouting) is over what values will be normative and what will be the nature of our relationships. It directly affects our work in theatre as well as all other aspects of our lives. Wouldn't it be nice to have a civil discourse? SteveV Orl, FL ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:16:22 -0400 Message-Id: <20040619031622.OPTP1360.de-fe02.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe02> > I do not believe this. Full stop. Frank It is not just dimmers that will cause this situation. It is just that they are usually the only thing that is such high current and can be so far out of balance. It took me a while to come to grips with the whole single/three phase thing and I am sure I don't know the half of it nor can I explain it to you easily. I haven't researched power in Europe so your distribution system might not have the same ability to be unbalanced. How about the argument: why do many major dimmer manufacturers install a double nuetral on their racks in the USA? If it were not so don't you think they would not bother with the expense of adding the additional connectors and wiring.(yes, you can always argue code/regulation of overzelous legislators/lobbyists) Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.2420c876.2e051769 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:13:29 EDT Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem Greg B writes: >It is not just dimmers that will cause this situation. It is just that they are usually the only >thing that is such high current and can be so far out of balance. From what I read in the Power Quality publications, the wide spread adoption of switching power supplies in computer gear is creating more havoc than our *few* theatrical dimmers ever did to the power supply system. There is some debate as to just how much of a problem the harmonics really are. But, I hear that it has gotten the attention of European regulators who may ban such gear? Thus the increasing interest in alternatives like IGBT dimmers. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #45 ****************************