Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #48 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:01:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #48 1. Re: "Hollywood" loads by "Delbert Hall" 2. Re: Weighty Subject by usctd [at] columbia.sc 3. Re: New edition by Stephen Litterst 4. Re: Neutral Currents (was Weird Dimmer Problem) - a bit long by "Harold Hallikainen" 5. Re: blanks and wax bullets by "Alf Sauve" 6. Re: stageweight door stops by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 7. Re: Weighty Subject by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 8. Re: Weighty Subject by Stephen Litterst 9. Re: Neutral Currents (was Weird Dimmer Problem) - a bit long by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 10. Re: Weighty Subject by Rigger 11. Re: Weighty Subject by "Tony Deeming" 12. Re: Weighty Subject by Rigger 13. Re: Weighty Subject by "Tony Deeming" 14. Re: Weighty Subject by Josh Ratty 15. Re: Wild West guns by Loren Schreiber 16. Re: Weighty Subject by "Tony Deeming" 17. Re: Weighty Subject by "Tony Deeming" 18. Re: Weighty Subject by Rigger 19. Re: Weighty Subject by Stephen Litterst 20. Re: Weighty Subject by Josh Ratty 21. Re: Weighty Subject by Jerry Durand 22. Re: Weighty Subject by Rigger 23. Re: Weighty Subject by Mike Brubaker 24. Re: Weighty Subject by "Tom Heemskerk" 25. Re: Weighty Subject by Jerry Durand 26. Re: Weighty Subject by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 27. Re: Weighty Subject by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Re: Weighty Subject by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 29. Re: Weighty Subject by Josh Ratty 30. Re: Weighty Subject by "Randy Whitcomb" 31. Re: Weighty Subject by "Tony Deeming" 32. Re: Weighty Subject by "Tony Deeming" 33. Re: Weighty Subject by "Tony" 34. Re: Weighty Subject by "Randy Whitcomb" 35. Re: Weighty Subject by "Brian Desmond" 36. Re: Weighty Subject by "Tony Deeming" 37. Fire Code (was Re: Weighty Subject) by Kate Daly 38. Re: Weighty Subject by MissWisc [at] aol.com 39. Re: Weighty Subject by MissWisc [at] aol.com 40. Re: Fire Code (was Re: Weighty Subject) by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 41. Re: Fire Code (was Re: Weighty Subject) by Steve Larson 42. Richmond, VA by IAEG [at] aol.com 43. Moving on from plagaris-ze to guns... by CB 44. Re: Weighty Subject by "Chad Croteau" 45. Re: Weighty Subject by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 46. Re: Weighty Subject by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 47. Re: Weighty Subject by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: "Hollywood" loads Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:50:48 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000801c45785$ff0aeef0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: If the projectile is capable of making a hole in a soda can, as you say, then it is capable of causing a very serious injury to a person. -Delbert -----Original Message----- It was a small wax projectile that shoots out from the barrel to make a hole in a can. Looks a lot like the results I got from "bird pellets" from an air gun as a kid. Make sense? Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3091.129.252.241.105.1087827732.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Weighty Subject From: usctd [at] columbia.sc You should be more concerned about the potential fire safety issues. Those door stops are probably propping open fire doors that the university fire marshall will want to see closed. -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings, > > I am working on a show, in a theatre on a University campus. > > Last week, some enterprising students collected up about 20-20 stage > weights > that were being used as door stops around the building. So far, so good. > > Next, they painted them all bright red, and proudly painted "door stop" on > them. > > They then proceded to distribute them back around the building. > > Even though it is none of my buisness, it irritated the hell out of me for > several reasons. > > These weights should live backstage, so that they may be used as > stageweights. > > If we run short on the deck, I think these students should be the ones to > go > upstairs and get new ones. > > And lastly, If these RED weights get into circulation, what are the > chances > that they may be mistaken for "pipe weight" markers? > > Am I being petty in being annoyed? > > Mark O'Brien > Tucson, AZ > > _________________________________________________________________ > From ‘will you?’ to ‘I do,’ MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting > Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:43:21 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: New edition Message-id: <40D6F409.7301F0A8 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Kevin Lee Allen wrote: > Amazon? > Local bookstore? > Drama Books? > Where would be the best place to find/order the book? Thanks You can purchase a copy directly from the publisher. www.wadsworth.com Search for "Linda Essig." The page for the book contains a "purchase now" link. Steve -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <27370.207.177.227.29.1087829806.squirrel [at] kauko.hallikainen.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Neutral Currents (was Weird Dimmer Problem) - a bit long From: "Harold Hallikainen" For some test results I did with phase control dimming and its effect on neutral currents, see http://www.dovesystems.com/pages/apnotes/LDI2001/img0.htm . Harold -- FCC Rules Online at http://www.hallikainen.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005c01c457a7$0649a0a0$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: blanks and wax bullets Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:44:12 -0400 Kristi, Indeed wax plugs are used as "practice" bullets. There is a fast draw competition which uses them. Safer than lead but still very dangerous at close range. (http://www.shootmagazine.com/getting_started/page1.htm) The most impressive quick shot was the late Ed McGiven. He used revolvers, because auto-loaders (semi-automatics) were too slow. Photographic evidence showed he could drop the hammer on a second shot before the first shot completely left the barrel! Using "real" bullets he fire 5 shots in 0.45 secs and kept them well within a playing card at 20ft (Guinness Book of World Records). Just a note, even with a "blank" round there are, besides the gases, little bits of metal and other minor pieces of matter, expelled from a gun. This is especially true with a commercially made primer where the case mouth is crimped. The violent un-crimping sometimes breaks loose pieces of the brass. This is one reason why "blanks" are so dangerous even at 20 or more feet. Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 21:39 PM Subject: Moving on from plagaris-ze to guns... > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Saw a Wild Wild West show for kids yesterday. There were several acts which > included real guns (Winchester rifle, Colt 45, others I wasn't able to i.d.) > using "Hollywood loads" or "Hollywood bullets." The performers were excellent > and consistently demonstrated safe gun handling and explained they weren't > using real bullets, but I'm hoping some of you smart, not-summer-stock -challenged > folks could answer a few questions. (This is related to stagecraft because > it's street theatre.) > > 1.) One kind of blank had small wax plug as projectile. When this hits the > target, does it break apart, collapse, melt, or what? Would it eventially melt > in the barrel and clog it? (They were using it to shoot soda cans along with a > "don't try this at home" bit.) > > 2.) They were using balloons as targets. At what range is the gas coming out > of the muzzel enough to break a balloon? Or were these some of the wax ones? > > The blank into the side of a soda can at close range was VERY impressive. > They handed the can around for the crowd to see. > > Thanks! > > Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FE24 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: Re: stageweight door stops Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:06:12 -0700 I'd corral the perpetraitors (er, students), have them collect all the painted stage weights again, by hand, no carts/dollies/wheelboards allowed, and have them paint the EDGES back to the original colour. That will fix the "pipe weight" issue, will leaving the top/bottom of the weight bright red. They did spell it correctly, didn't they? (and Yes, I know that perpetraitor is spelled wrong). "Colour" is right for some of us however. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <154.38273402.2e0877a5 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:40:53 EDT Subject: Re: Weighty Subject In a message dated 21/06/04 01:16:37 GMT Daylight Time, omark4 [at] msn.com writes: > Am I being petty in being annoyed? No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:49:50 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Message-id: <40D71FBE.B013D395 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 21/06/04 01:16:37 GMT Daylight Time, omark4 [at] msn.com writes: > > > Am I being petty in being annoyed? > > No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. Funny, I thought that's what old lightboards are for.... Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.25c588c1.2e08828c [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:27:24 EDT Subject: Re: Neutral Currents (was Weird Dimmer Problem) - a bit long In a message dated 21/06/04 04:45:19 GMT Daylight Time,=20 mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com writes: > Quite simply, Mr. Wood states that it is not possible for there to be more= =20 > current on a neutral in a 3-phase, 4-wire system than the circuit rating=20 > (e.g., he says you cannot get 26 amps on a neutral in a 3-phase, 4-wire,=20 20=20 > amp system with 20 amp loads) because the currents cancel. Every time this old warhorse rears its head, I quote the example of the earl= y=20 three-phase thyratron dimmers. Their design was such that the TOTAL load=20 current flowed in the neutral. Using your numbers, this gives 60A of neutral= =20 current. It's an extreme case, and dimmer design has improved since then. Bu= t it=20 caused a lot of trouble and expense, notably in the provision of a star-delt= a=20 transformer to rebalance the currents. > =20 > In a linear system (all full sine waves), this would be correct. However= ,=20 > if the sine waves are "chopped up" as in most solid-state dimmer systems,= =20 > this simply does not work any more.> =20 > The National Electrical Code (R) allows for derating the neutral in many=20 > installations because of the cancellation that occurs in linear=20 > systems. However, it does not allow such derating in non-linear=20 > systems. Also, the NEC requires additional derating if there are more=20 than=20 > 3 current-carrying conductors in a cable or conduit. Therefore, in the=20 > situation above, we have 4 current carrying conductors - additional=20 > derating applies (i.e., we have to use larger conductors) in order to=20 > prevent overheating of conductors in normal operating conditions. The British code, promulgated by the Institution of Electrical Engineers, is= =20 different. Neutrals are never de-rated, to start with, and the number of=20 cables in a conduit or trunk influences the allowed cable sizes. I have no m= eans of=20 making comparisons in detail; partly because I don't know the US numbers, an= d=20 partly because of metrication. To give you an idea, though, the three-phase=20 feed to our 84 ten amp dimmers (remember that I'm in the land of 230V) is in= =20 cable about the thickness of my forefinger. It is fused at 160A. I still=20 remember fitting the soldered sleeves one boiling hot summer day, with a but= ane=20 torch.=20 > experience of the List, perhaps you will believe Fluke - a very well know= n=20 > and reputable manufacturer of test equipment. There have several papers=20 on=20 > their site which address power harmonics in a more technical manner. Fro= m=20 > http://www.fluke.com/download/library/1260362_w.pdf : > =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D > "In a three-phase, four-wire system, neutral conductors can be severely=20 > affected by nonlinear loads connected to the 120 V branch circuits. Under= =20 > normal conditions for a balanced linear load, the fundamental 60 Hz=20 portion=20 > of the phase currents will cancel in the neutral conductor. > =20 > "In a four-wire system with single-phase, non-linear loads, certain=20 > odd-numbered harmonics called triplens =E2=80=94 odd multiples of the thi= rd=20 > harmonic: 3rd, 9th, 15th, etc =E2=80=94 do not cancel, but rather add tog= ether in=20 > the neutral conductor. In systems with many single-phase, nonlinear loads= ,=20 > the neutral current can actually exceed the phase current. The danger her= e=20 > is excessive overheating because, unlike phase conductors, there are no=20 > circuit breakers in the neutral conductor to limit the current. I will just point out that, in what is one of the nastiest signals to deal=20 with, the square wave, the third harmonic is at one third of the peak, the n= inth=20 one ninth, and so on. > =20 > "Excessive current in the neutral conductor can also cause=20 > higher-than-normal voltage drops between the neutral conductor and ground= =20 .=20 In the UK, neutral and ground meet only at the sub-station, and such problem= s=20 are usually due to a high- resistance ground. I remember doing a show at=20 Minack, years ago, when I found the neutral 90V above ground, and with enoug= h=20 welly to fire pyrotechnics. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:29:36 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Weighty Subject At 1:49 PM -0400 6/21/04, Stephen Litterst wrote: >> No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. > > Funny, I thought that's what old lightboards are for.... I like the idea of extinguishing a fire with an old light board. (preferably an old Kliegl Performance - not much good for anything else) -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: <11f801c457be$4add5b00$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:33:48 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Litterst" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Weighty Subject > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > In a message dated 21/06/04 01:16:37 GMT Daylight Time, omark4 [at] msn.com writes: > > > > > Am I being petty in being annoyed? > > > > No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. > > Funny, I thought that's what old lightboards are for.... > > Steve L. > Jeez! I can just see it now - our old Lightboard M (72-fader job) was almost as big as some doors, and BOY was it ever heavier!!!! 8-)) ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:52:04 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Weighty Subject At 7:33 PM +0100 6/21/04, Tony Deeming wrote: >>> No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. >> >> Funny, I thought that's what old lightboards are for.... > > Jeez! > I can just see it now - our old Lightboard M (72-fader job) was almost > as big as some doors, and BOY was it ever heavier!!!! I know the Strand M.... Still have the ops manual on my bookshelf, even. Makes a far better doorstop than it ever was as a console. The nicest thing I could think to say about it was it worked marginally better than a Kliegl Performance. (see also "damning with faint praise.") -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: <11f201c457bd$e6f3cf70$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:31:00 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Weighty Subject > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 21/06/04 01:16:37 GMT Daylight Time, omark4 [at] msn.com writes: > > > Am I being petty in being annoyed? > > No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. > > Frank Wood > I sincerely hope you were NOT being serious, there.....! Ynot ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:48:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Weighty Subject From: Josh Ratty Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 6/21/04 2:31 PM, "Tony Deeming" wrote: >> >> In a message dated 21/06/04 01:16:37 GMT Daylight Time, omark4 [at] msn.com > writes: >> >>> Am I being petty in being annoyed? >> >> No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. >> >> Frank Wood >> > I sincerely hope you were NOT being serious, there.....! > > Ynot > > Well at least if there is a fire... Josh ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040621131636.02c8fa50 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:31:10 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Wild West guns In-Reply-To: Kristi, The owner of a ranch where I occasionally work is involved in a relatively new sport called Cowboy Mounted Shooting, where the participants ride through a pattern of balloons on sticks, shooting each with single-action Colt 45s. The "bullets" are actually cornmeal or a similar material that packs a suitable punch for balloon hunting up to about 3 meters, but not so far as to injure anyone on the sidelines. Wax plugs are used for "plinking" or short-range target practice. A wax plug, having relatively low mass compared to lead, gives up its kinetic energy to air friction rather quickly. But at short range: (force equals one-half mass times velocity squared) even a light-weight wax plug can pack a death dealing punch. Loren Schreiber Director of Technology and Production, Part-time wrangler School of Theatre, Television and Film, San Diego State University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <122001c457d0$6758bf60$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:43:26 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Weighty Subject > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 7:33 PM +0100 6/21/04, Tony Deeming wrote: > > >>> No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. > >> > >> Funny, I thought that's what old lightboards are for.... > > > > Jeez! > > I can just see it now - our old Lightboard M (72-fader job) was almost > > as big as some doors, and BOY was it ever heavier!!!! > > > I know the Strand M.... Still have the ops manual on my bookshelf, even. > > Makes a far better doorstop than it ever was as a console. The > nicest thing I could think to say about it was it worked marginally > better than a Kliegl Performance. > > (see also "damning with faint praise.") > Nah - I quite liked our LBM - was a darned good desk for the money back in 1990, and with the 72 faders was a lot easier for also-ran-amateurs to get to grips with. Couldn't do anything DMX, tho..... Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <122801c457d0$a1598870$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:45:04 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Ratty" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Weighty Subject > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 6/21/04 2:31 PM, "Tony Deeming" wrote: > > > >> > >> In a message dated 21/06/04 01:16:37 GMT Daylight Time, omark4 [at] msn.com > > writes: > >> > >>> Am I being petty in being annoyed? > >> > >> No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. > >> > >> Frank Wood > >> > > I sincerely hope you were NOT being serious, there.....! > > > > Ynot > > > > > > > Well at least if there is a fire... > > Josh ... the fire could spread nicely through all those doors propped open....! DON'T agree with ANY fir door being propped unless VERY briefly for moving lots of gear thru, and then only if the movers make sure it's unpropped later. Ynot ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:45:36 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Weighty Subject At 9:43 PM +0100 6/21/04, Tony Deeming wrote: > I quite liked our LBM - was a darned good desk for the money back in > 1990, and with the 72 faders was a lot easier for also-ran-amateurs > to get to grips with. Must've run better than ours, then. (not like that's hard...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:52:19 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Message-id: <40D74A83.B922F51C [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Rigger wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 9:43 PM +0100 6/21/04, Tony Deeming wrote: > > > I quite liked our LBM - was a darned good desk for the money back in > > 1990, and with the 72 faders was a lot easier for also-ran-amateurs > > to get to grips with. > > Must've run better than ours, then. > > (not like that's hard...) I used an LBM at the High Point Theatre in North Carolina in the mid-90s. The only gripe I had was the 300 baud modem they used for the RFU. You had a very brief window in which to turn on the RFU while the board was looking for it. (Sort of like the Obsession II Dual Processor setup today) But I loved programming the console. I think that I was influenced by working with a designer who liked the LBM, so - not knowing better - I learned to like it, too. But that was then. I don't think I'd find the board nearly as enjoyable now. Part of it is also that I'm somewhat of a technophile. I love the challenge of making a strange console do what I want. I designed a show last year on an ETC Vision, and loved the challenge of it. Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:56:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Weighty Subject From: Josh Ratty Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >>>> >>>> In a message dated 21/06/04 01:16:37 GMT Daylight Time, omark4 [at] msn.com >>> writes: >>>> >>>>> Am I being petty in being annoyed? >>>> >>>> No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. >>>> >>>> Frank Wood >>>> >>> I sincerely hope you were NOT being serious, there.....! >>> >>> Ynot >>> >>> >> >> >> Well at least if there is a fire... >> >> Josh > > ... the fire could spread nicely through all those doors propped open....! > > DON'T agree with ANY fir door being propped unless VERY briefly for moving > lots of gear thru, and then only if the movers make sure it's unpropped > later. > > Ynot > > Sorry I was hopefully being as serious as Frank was. So for the record: I agree that the doors should be closed and fire extinguishers, stage weights light boards and small children should not be used to block the doors. Josh ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040621140926.0268c248 [at] localhost> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:12:12 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Weighty Subject In-Reply-To: References:

At 01:56 PM 6/21/2004, Josh Ratty wrote: >Sorry I was hopefully being as serious as Frank was. So for the record: I >agree that the doors should be closed and fire extinguishers, stage weights >light boards and small children should not be used to block the doors. Since you mentioned small children blocking doors... The people at our local Kaiser medical facility get VERY upset about people standing near doorways (even open doors), they say it violates fire rules about blocking doors. Now, I don't know about other people, but if there's a fire I won't be blocking the door, I'll be the first through it! Any idea where this came from (like is there really some rule about standing in a doorway)? ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:13:07 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Weighty Subject At 4:56 PM -0400 6/21/04, Josh Ratty wrote: > I agree that the doors should be closed and fire extinguishers, > stage weights, light boards, and small children should not be used > to block the doors. What if they're especially irritating small children? -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040621161927.02c25630 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:20:19 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Weighty Subject In-Reply-To: References:

If they'll stay still long enough to be used as a door stop, they probably aren't all that irritating... Mike At 04:13 PM 6/21/2004, Rigger wrote: >> stage weights, light boards, and small children should not be used >> to block the doors. > > >What if they're especially irritating small children? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <02a601c457dd$b3951f60$30e2f4cc [at] oemcomputer> From: "Tom Heemskerk" References:

Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:18:33 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- > > Any idea where this came from (like is there really some rule about > standing in a doorway)? > Whether or not it's a rule, there is a courtesy issue... my English friend brings attention to it with the expression "Admirals and A**holes" (originally referring to those who habitually block the way in the narrow confines of a ship). th ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040621152652.02652f18 [at] localhost> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:28:08 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Weighty Subject In-Reply-To: References:

At 03:18 PM 6/21/2004, you wrote: >Whether or not it's a rule, there is a courtesy issue... my English friend >brings attention to it with the expression "Admirals and A**holes" >(originally referring to those who habitually block the way in the narrow >confines of a ship). I agree with not blocking a passage, but they freak if you're standing NEAR a door. Besides, they don't say "you're blocking other people's way", they say "its against fire code". ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <54.2c94830b.2e08bbf7 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:32:23 EDT Subject: Re: Weighty Subject In a message dated 21/06/04 20:43:35 GMT Daylight Time, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > > No. You are right. The traditional doorstop is a fire extinguisher. > > > > Frank Wood > > > I sincerely hope you were NOT being serious, there.....! Not at all. But it is very common. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <75.2c9dd247.2e08bce0 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:36:16 EDT Subject: Re: Weighty Subject In a message dated 21/06/04 21:45:37 GMT Daylight Time, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > DON'T agree with ANY fir door being propped unless VERY briefly for moving > lots of gear thru, and then only if the movers make sure it's unpropped > later. Neither do I, But you, as well as I, know that it's often done. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1c9.1addc960.2e08be70 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:42:56 EDT Subject: Re: Weighty Subject In a message dated 21/06/04 21:57:19 GMT Daylight Time, josh.ratty [at] verizon.net writes: > Sorry I was hopefully being as serious as Frank was. So for the record: I > agree that the doors should be closed and fire extinguishers, stage weights > light boards and small children should not be used to block the doors. Small children! Please elaborate. Yes, you were being as serious as I was,but blocking fire doors with small children is a new technique. Tell us more! Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:53:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Weighty Subject From: Josh Ratty Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 6/21/04 6:42 PM, "FrankWood95 [at] aol.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 21/06/04 21:57:19 GMT Daylight Time, > josh.ratty [at] verizon.net writes: > >> Sorry I was hopefully being as serious as Frank was. So for the record: I >> agree that the doors should be closed and fire extinguishers, stage weights >> light boards and small children should not be used to block the doors. > > Small children! Please elaborate. Yes, you were being as serious as I was,but > blocking fire doors with small children is a new technique. Tell us more! > > > Frank Wood Big scary carpenter: "Hey kid! Go stand over there and keep that door open!" Annoying kid (likely with a glum face): "oh, ok." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001901c457e3$e5bbcf60$0271ae43 [at] attbi.com> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References:

Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:02:58 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Durand" > I agree with not blocking a passage, but they freak if you're standing NEAR > a door. Besides, they don't say "you're blocking other people's way", they > say "its against fire code". Codes do state that aisles, hallways and doorways must be kept clear. Inspectors consider people standing around to be obstructions. That's why everyone must be in a seat - not standing along the walls or back aisle. Yes you'd move if an alarm went off but I'm always surprised at how many people don't react to alarms. They look around until told to evacuate. There might also be circumstances where emergency personnel or facility staff need to get around even though no alarms are sounding to alert bystanders. While it could be argued that 2 or 3 people don't pose a problem 6 or more might. Its easier to just say no one is to stand in doorways. As to the courtesy issue; considering how often I get attitude from people when I bring up fire code, I know I'd get no cooperation if I asked them to consider other people so I don't bother. I would guess that they don't want people near doors for a couple of reasons. One would be that if the doors are closed folks could easily drift into the door's arc and get clobbered when they're opened. I've seen it happen. Then they get sued for the broken nose. The other reason could be that groups tend to grow and drift. 2 people standing 10' away could soon be 8 people standing within a foot of the door. Again its easier to keep everyone away and to cite fire code than engage in lengthy discussions with everyone who wants to stand in or near the doorway. I'll bet they have to do this several times a day. It gets old very quickly. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <126f01c457e7$14a9f100$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:25:46 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: Weighty Subject > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 9:43 PM +0100 6/21/04, Tony Deeming wrote: > > > I quite liked our LBM - was a darned good desk for the money back in > > 1990, and with the 72 faders was a lot easier for also-ran-amateurs > > to get to grips with. > > > Must've run better than ours, then. > > (not like that's hard...) > Yep - gave us 12 years of pretty good service! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <127b01c457e7$4bb48480$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:27:18 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: Weighty Subject > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 4:56 PM -0400 6/21/04, Josh Ratty wrote: > > > I agree that the doors should be closed and fire extinguishers, > > stage weights, light boards, and small children should not be used > > to block the doors. > > > What if they're especially irritating small children? > > -- > Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Ahem - most children are/can be.... (including my two!!) 8-))) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <128901c457e7$8ad93890$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:29:04 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:36 PM Subject: Re: Weighty Subject > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 21/06/04 21:45:37 GMT Daylight Time, > deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > > > DON'T agree with ANY fir door being propped unless VERY briefly for moving > > lots of gear thru, and then only if the movers make sure it's unpropped > > later. > > Neither do I, But you, as well as I, know that it's often done. > > Frank Wood > If it's done in my venue when I'm in, I find who's done it and they get a polite telling off - first time - I have had occasion to roast some habitual door-proppers.....! Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003001c457e7$96083a40$0271ae43 [at] attbi.com> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References: Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:29:23 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARK OBRIEN" > Last week, some enterprising students collected up about 20-20 stage weights > Next, they painted them all bright red, and proudly painted "door stop" on > them. > > They then proceded to distribute them back around the building. You bring up some good points, but the biggest irritation is that people think they can walk into an auditorium and steal equipment. Yes there are lots of weights but we paid for them, and need them. Perhaps Bill can tell us how much it would cost to replace 20 - 30 (?) stage weights. Shipping costs are a bear. This is a problem all over. Last year I went around and collected a dozen music stands from classrooms. They make nice lecterns. Maybe you could suggest that they go to the athletic bldg., grab some football helmets, paint them red, add a bit of sand and use those for door stops. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:34:24 -0500 Message-ID: <39870A65DDC5AF4F8FA39BD78F06BED130293D [at] carbon.payton.cps.k12.il.us> From: "Brian Desmond" I was in a church filming something a few months ago, I had the camera on my shoulder, no tripod in site, kneeling on the floor getting people leaving, and the usher told me I had to move because I was a fire hazard. Some people seem to think that anything near a door is a fire hazard - no idea where the conception comes from.=20 --Brian Desmond desmondb [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us Payton on the Web! Http://www.wpcp.org =20 v: 773.534.0034 x135 f: 773.534.0035 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Durand [mailto:jdurand [at] interstellar.com]=20 Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 4:12 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Weighty Subject For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- At 01:56 PM 6/21/2004, Josh Ratty wrote: >Sorry I was hopefully being as serious as Frank was. So for the record: I >agree that the doors should be closed and fire extinguishers, stage weights >light boards and small children should not be used to block the doors. Since you mentioned small children blocking doors... The people at our local Kaiser medical facility get VERY upset about people=20 standing near doorways (even open doors), they say it violates fire rules=20 about blocking doors. Now, I don't know about other people, but if there's=20 a fire I won't be blocking the door, I'll be the first through it! Any idea where this came from (like is there really some rule about=20 standing in a doorway)? ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <12df01c457e9$80aec3b0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:43:06 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Whitcomb" > You bring up some good points, but the biggest irritation is that people > think they can walk into an auditorium and steal equipment. Yes there are > lots of weights but we paid for them, and need them. Perhaps Bill can tell > us how much it would cost to replace 20 - 30 (?) stage weights. Shipping > costs are a bear. > > This is a problem all over. Last year I went around and collected a dozen > music stands from classrooms. They make nice lecterns. > > Maybe you could suggest that they go to the athletic bldg., grab some > football helmets, paint them red, add a bit of sand and use those for door > stops. > > > Randy Whitcomb, TD Yep - pain in the proverbial. We got 2 new stools for the spot op positions - they've not actually made it up here yet, as they're 'quite nice in the bar!' - but they've also ended up on stage for rehearsals, as have a few other items of bar furniture - which annoys the heck out of me, as they NEVER find their way back! The stage brooms (Nice 3 ft wide jobs) never seem to be where they should be, and NO-ONE ever puts the sparky tape back when they're done, making it a pain when you're trying to coil cables after a get-out!!! Ynot ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040621194457.01d87338 [at] popd.ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:48:48 -0400 From: Kate Daly Subject: Fire Code (was Re: Weighty Subject) In-Reply-To: References:

Jerry Durand wrote: >people standing near doorways (even open doors), they say it violates fire >rules about blocking doors. > >Any idea where this came from (like is there really some rule about >standing in a doorway)? I think some places have a system where the doors are held open electromagnetically, and when the fire alarm goes, the magnets cut out & release the doors. Ppl standing there cld get thwapped in the head. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:31:10 EDT Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Cc: DesmondB [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us In a message dated 6/21/4 6:38:25 PM, DesmondB [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us wrote: <<...kneeling on the floor getting people leaving, and the usher told me I had to move because I was a fire hazard.>> Anything that "blocks the egress" including humans is considered a fire hazard. Head usher should have told you where it would be OK for you to film before the event started... assuming he knows. Kristi ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15a.381221da.2e08da09 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:40:41 EDT Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Cc: jdurand [at] interstellar.com In a message dated 6/21/4 5:28:34 PM, jdurand [at] interstellar.com wrote: <> That's because "Excuse me, I need to get past you" doesn't get the same results as "If you don't move immediately, I will have you arrested." ;) Same reason I've had to couch some requests at my old school as "liability issues" instead of just good old-fashioned common sense. Kristi ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <64.401b36c0.2e08e1fd [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:14:37 EDT Subject: Re: Fire Code (was Re: Weighty Subject) In a message dated 6/21/04 7:46:11 PM, KateDaly [at] earthlink.net writes: << I think some places have a system where the doors are held open electromagnetically, and when the fire alarm goes, the magnets cut out & release the doors. Ppl standing there cld get thwapped in the head. >> Yeah, what he said. Also, a group of people blocking the door makes it difficult for others to see the door. Try to think what it would be like if a room full of people just like, say, your great Aunt Mildred where in the room and a fire broke out. Hysteria is a very dangerous thing and a state easily attained by many people. Fire marshals hate people standing in the doorway. People standing in the doorway could easily become people lying in the doorway blocking other people from getting out. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:29:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Fire Code (was Re: Weighty Subject) From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > People standing in the doorway could easily become people lying in the doorway > blocking other people from getting out. > Not to mention the stains caused by the crush of people running hysterically through the doors. Steve > > > > ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:19:02 EDT Subject: Richmond, VA Any and all list members in the Richmond VA area, , please drop me a note off list, thanks very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040621204644.01827168 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:46:44 From: CB Subject: Moving on from plagaris-ze to guns... >1.) One kind of blank had small wax plug as projectile. When this hits the >target, does it break apart, collapse, melt, or what? Would it eventially melt >in the barrel and clog it? Hollywood loads are called that because they look and sound really cool. And because they are (were) mostly used for film shoots. While (as a PSM/Weapons Wrangler) I tended towards things that would flash/smoke real nice for picture, the bang I got out of them was pretty anemic, and there were no projectiles other than the expended gases and a bit of burning powder. Nothing like what comes with a Hollywood, though. Gunshot sounds can be found dime-a-dozen anywhere, and they're usually put in in post, no matter what the gun sounded like on set. If it was realistic, it was too loud and sounded like crap on tape. If it made it to tape OK, it didn't sound right. Anyhoo, with nintey-nine percent of the gunshots on a film set, the 'target' doesn't even have to be there that day to make the shooter's pictures work. Any one who isn't NEEDED on set for shooting scenes isn't allowed on set. At least, whe I have the guns... So, seeing as they can be pointed at something safe, and wax tends not to ricochet much, wax loads look pretty and aren't dangerous to the target. Mostly because the target tends to be at craft services or in his trailer. >2.) They were using balloons as targets. At what range is the gas coming out >of the muzzel enough to break a balloon? Or were these some of the wax ones? Depends on the load and the powder used. Black powder travels further, usually. It burns slower and has more , uhm, mass. Smokeless tends to be little discs that don't carry as much momentum, and burn faster. With a hot load you can get pretty toasted ten or fifteen feet away. And the concussion would suck, too! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008901c4580f$7b8c1bf0$6501a8c0 [at] cz1lbfinkbrlun> From: "Chad Croteau" Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:14:57 -0400 Dave Vick wrote: I like the idea of extinguishing a fire with an old light board. (preferably an old Kliegl Performance - not much good for anything else) To which I reply: Mr. Vick, you obviously haven't tried old consoles for boat anchors... A lot of the older (heavier) ones are good for holding a small boat in place... Not that I actually do that of course! Unless the rest of you do... Then maybe I do.. Do you? VBG. :) Chad ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:14:36 -0700 Message-ID: <028b01c45820$3251b5b0$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: This comes up all of the time and in nearly ever public assembly facility I have seen ,,, and conventions are in that same file. Doomster ==================================================== THE FIRST NATIONAL CONGRESS ON HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS IN THE SECONDARY SCHOOLS - Sponsored by ISETSA June 25, 26, 27, 2004 at Cardinal Stritch University, Milwaukee, Wisconsin ==================================================== Risk International & Associates, Inc. - Dedicated to making the world a healthier & safer place. Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com ==================================================== International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts. Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org ==================================================== 960 E. Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767 Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961 ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:31 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: DesmondB [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us Subject: Re: Weighty Subject For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 6/21/4 6:38:25 PM, DesmondB [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us wrote: <<...kneeling on the floor getting people leaving, and the usher told me I had to move because I was a fire hazard.>> Anything that "blocks the egress" including humans is considered a fire hazard. Head usher should have told you where it would be OK for you to film before the event started... assuming he knows. Kristi ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:15:38 -0700 Message-ID: <028e01c45820$57f8fdf0$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: All blocking of any door is forbidden. Life Safety and Fire Prevention Codes. doomser ==================================================== THE FIRST NATIONAL CONGRESS ON HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS IN THE SECONDARY SCHOOLS - Sponsored by ISETSA June 25, 26, 27, 2004 at Cardinal Stritch University, Milwaukee, Wisconsin ==================================================== Risk International & Associates, Inc. - Dedicated to making the world a healthier & safer place. Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com ==================================================== International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts. Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org ==================================================== 960 E. Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767 Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961 ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tony Deeming Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 4:43 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Weighty Subject For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Whitcomb" > You bring up some good points, but the biggest irritation is that people > think they can walk into an auditorium and steal equipment. Yes there are > lots of weights but we paid for them, and need them. Perhaps Bill can tell > us how much it would cost to replace 20 - 30 (?) stage weights. Shipping > costs are a bear. > > This is a problem all over. Last year I went around and collected a dozen > music stands from classrooms. They make nice lecterns. > > Maybe you could suggest that they go to the athletic bldg., grab some > football helmets, paint them red, add a bit of sand and use those for door > stops. > > > Randy Whitcomb, TD Yep - pain in the proverbial. We got 2 new stools for the spot op positions - they've not actually made it up here yet, as they're 'quite nice in the bar!' - but they've also ended up on stage for rehearsals, as have a few other items of bar furniture - which annoys the heck out of me, as they NEVER find their way back! The stage brooms (Nice 3 ft wide jobs) never seem to be where they should be, and NO-ONE ever puts the sparky tape back when they're done, making it a pain when you're trying to coil cables after a get-out!!! Ynot ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: Re: Weighty Subject Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:25:11 -0700 Message-ID: <029c01c45821$ad358f30$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: All you need is one incident ... one person hurt .. one person killed ... the message is so terrible ... and it does occur often in this country ... all stageweights and wooden stops need to be tossed out. Doomster ==================================================== THE FIRST NATIONAL CONGRESS ON HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS IN THE SECONDARY SCHOOLS - Sponsored by ISETSA June 25, 26, 27, 2004 at Cardinal Stritch University, Milwaukee, Wisconsin ==================================================== Risk International & Associates, Inc. - Dedicated to making the world a healthier & safer place. Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com ==================================================== International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts. Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org ==================================================== 960 E. Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767 Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961 ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of usctd [at] columbia.sc Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:22 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Weighty Subject For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- You should be more concerned about the potential fire safety issues. Those door stops are probably propping open fire doors that the university fire marshall will want to see closed. -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings, > > I am working on a show, in a theatre on a University campus. > > Last week, some enterprising students collected up about 20-20 stage > weights > that were being used as door stops around the building. So far, so good. > > Next, they painted them all bright red, and proudly painted "door stop" on > them. > > They then proceded to distribute them back around the building. > > Even though it is none of my buisness, it irritated the hell out of me for > several reasons. > > These weights should live backstage, so that they may be used as > stageweights. > > If we run short on the deck, I think these students should be the ones to > go > upstairs and get new ones. > > And lastly, If these RED weights get into circulation, what are the > chances > that they may be mistaken for "pipe weight" markers? > > Am I being petty in being annoyed? > > Mark O'Brien > Tucson, AZ > > _________________________________________________________________ > From 'will you?' to 'I do,' MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting > Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married > > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #48 ****************************