Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #56 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:00:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #56 1. Removing Mold - Mildew - Water Stains from vintage drops?? by "Cain M. Bilbrey" 2. LSC Maxim S series Console by David Duffy 3. Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap) by "Hofmann, Christopher" 4. good, fast, cheap by b Ricie 5. Re: ETC S4 vs. Altman Shakespeare vs. Strand SL vs. Selecons by Danielle Maul 6. draftsperson by "William Knapp" 7. Re: LSC Maxim S series Console by Andy Ciddor 8. Workshop for Entertainment Technicians by Richard Bakos 9. Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap) by CB 10. Re: ETC S4 vs. Altman Shakespeare vs. Strand SL by "Schaefer, Alan" 11. Wireless wigborne mic suggestions by CB 12. Re: MissWisc by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 13. Virus (was RE: MissWisc) by "Joe Golden" 14. Re: MissWisc by MissWisc [at] aol.com 15. Re: Virus (was RE: MissWisc) by Pat Kight 16. Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap) by Charlie Richmond 17. Re: Wireless wigborne mic suggestions by "Jon Ares" 18. Re: MissWisc by Rigger 19. Re: Wireless wigborne mic suggestions by Rigger 20. Re: Portable Staging/Load bearing welds by Michael Powers 21. Re: MissWisc by Kevin Lee Allen *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <003401c45dd1$9eb33830$6602a8c0 [at] RALPHandSNOWY> From: "Cain M. Bilbrey" Subject: Removing Mold - Mildew - Water Stains from vintage drops?? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:07:16 -0400 Hello to all..... Long time since my last post but enjoy the LIST greatly! Q: Any suggestions / ideas on how to remove or diminish Mold - Mildew - Water Stains from Vintage (approx. 40 yrs old.) Back Drops? Short & Direct....all suggestions welcomed! Thanks LIST ... and I hope you have a great 4th of July weekend! I hope everyone gets at least a day off! I Know you all deserve it! Obrigado y T'chau Cain M. Bilbrey Master Carpenter North Carolina Theatre ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40E15F66.90106 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:24:06 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: LSC Maxim S series Console Hi there, Does anyone have opinions on the LSC Maxim S series lighting consoles? I'm looking to buy one or something similar. (I'm in Australia BTW) David... ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:33:18 -0400 Message-ID: <56439B09A4ADDC46876BDFF2BBD35DF001C173F9 [at] ex1.capecod.edu> From: "Hofmann, Christopher" I'm a little late chiming in on this thread, but I have to agree with CB on this - at least to a degree. I always think of it as an actual triangle. Now, try this with me. Draw a triangle on a piece of paper. Label the corners with your preferred term (i.e. right/correct/quality, cheap/inexpensive/budget, quick/schedule/time, etc.) Now, using only a single dot, indicate where your project falls inside the triangle. You can place it near the one point that is most important (CB's "pick one") or you can try to place it on one of the sides (but do you really want to be that far away from the third point?) or you can place it in the middle where all three get rather muddled. In the end, project's usually tend to migrate toward one point - either by being forced there or by choice - but generally one of the three will drive the decisions. And if you can identify that one right off the bat, then so much the better. Christopher Hofmann Technical Director =20 Tilden Arts Center Cape Cod Community College 2240 Iyanough Road West Barnstable, MA 02668 =20 Office 508.362.2131 x4356 Fax 508.375.4113 Box Office 508.375.4044 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040629142509.76497.qmail [at] web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: good, fast, cheap In-Reply-To: Here on the Cape the production Triangle is us. If ya want good ya get Chris, if ya want fast ya get Andy, and if ya want cheap ya get me. Andy and I are interchangeable though, as we will recycle sheet goods down to splinters. ===== Brian Rice b_ricie [at] yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:46:13 -0400 From: Danielle Maul Subject: Re: ETC S4 vs. Altman Shakespeare vs. Strand SL vs. Selecons Hi guys- As a freelancer in the business for many years in=20 NYC, I've noticed a few things. The Shakespeare doesn't accept abuse over time as=20 well as a Source-4. As Steve said; ETC quality=20 control is far superior to Altman. Weirdly enough=20 the Source-4 10=B0's pool seems slightly smaller,=20 though I'm not sure of the truth of that. I=20 wouldn't even consider the Strand units; they're=20 6 pegs down from Altman w/ all the same reasons &=20 more. If I had unlimited funds, I'd go with the=20 Selecon every time. (Even though their ass-end=20 make them hard to fit in some coves/slots,=20 depending.) But the cost makes them prohibitive.=20 My vote, of the three, for price and lasting=20 ability would be the Source-4. Enjoy your new toys, whatever they are, when you get them. At 3:01 AM -0700 6/29/04, Stagecraft wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Shawn Palmer" >> I need to replace the fixtures (aging Altman 1K zooms) on my FOH catwalk= =2E >> >> I can read datasheets, but I am looking for someone who has seen the 10 >> degree ETC Source 4 next to the 10 degree Altman Shakespeare and the 10 >> degree Strand SL. -- ------- Danielle Maul ------------------------------ From: "William Knapp" Subject: draftsperson Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:48:13 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hi, We're looking for someone to help us with drafting plans and light plots. Vectorworks experience is essential, dance experience helpfull. Please contact me off-list. thanks, Will Knapp Production Manager Merce Cunningham Dance Company 55 Bethune St. New York, NY 10014 212-255-8240 X20 mobile: 646-732-9274 mailto:will [at] thebase.com http://www.merce.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040630010302.01685d70 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:07:29 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: LSC Maxim S series Console In-Reply-To: At 22:24 29.6.2004, David Duffy wrote: >Does anyone have opinions on the LSC Maxim S series lighting consoles? >I'm looking to buy one or something similar. (I'm in Australia BTW) I personally am rather impressed with them, but I've been an LSC fan for years, despite their FOCAL series of consoles. There have been some fairly extensive discussions of these desks over the last six months on the ALIA (Australasian Lighting Industry Association) forums at Andy Ciddor ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40E1B140.50105 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:13:20 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Workshop for Entertainment Technicians Disclaimer: We have no financial interest in the workshop only wish it to happen so we can send our people. "A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel" ELCO Performing Arts Center, Elkhart, Indiana, USA August 9-11, 2004 www.riskit.com/workshops -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040629120445.0182c250 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:04:45 From: CB Subject: Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap) >The response was "it has to be absolutely >cutting edge - as long as the cost doesn't exceed $XXX(about $1.98)". Remind them that at $1.98, the Bic lighter is 'cutting edge', and that 'cutting edge' usually means the budget to back it up. In other words, the two tend to be mutually exclusive. If my client says that he wants the brightest black that he can get, or the loudest silence the speakers can produce, I begin the physics lesson. Clients can dream, but it's our responsibility to wake 'em up when they wander outside the realm of what is possible. Unless they have an unlimited budget. Then fantasy takes a few weeks to make into reality. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0347ABE6A545D3118E2B0000C10054C2036D85C6 [at] discovery.unv.campus.wpunj.edu> From: "Schaefer, Alan" Subject: Re: ETC S4 vs. Altman Shakespeare vs. Strand SL Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:08:22 -0400 Have you tried contacting the manufacturers for demo units? Both ETC and L&E have arranged for demo units to be shipped to us in the past. We own several S4 5 degree units which we are very happy with. Many visitors to our space have been quite impressed with their output, especially considering the long throw (about 90'). Al -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-= Al Schaefer, Production Manager Shea Center for Performing Arts, William Paterson University Wayne, NJ 07470 Voice: 973-720-2384 Fax: 973-720-3592 =-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=- >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:02:15 -0500 >From: Shawn Palmer >Subject: ETC S4 vs. Altman Shakespeare vs. Strand SL >I need to replace the fixtures (aging Altman 1K zooms) on my FOH >catwalk. >I can read datasheets, but I am looking for someone who has seen the >10 >degree ETC Source 4 next to the 10 degree Altman Shakespeare and the >10 >degree Strand SL. > >Real world data and observation is worth more to me than a piece of >paper, particularly since each manufacturer's data is slanted >towards >their product. > >Being in central Wisconsin setting up a demo is not likely. I have >exactly one vendor who MIGHT do that, and they are on the pricey >side- >so I typically avoid them. > >Anyone? > >Shawn Palmer >Pickard Civic Auditorium >Neenah, WI >USA ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040629125630.0182c250 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:56:30 From: CB Subject: Wireless wigborne mic suggestions >So any suggestions of models, or even more broadly, brands to use (or to >stay away from).....? How much should one spend on these puppies? First pick a mic. I suggest the MKE-2 by Sennheiser. I prefer the mickey-two because of its rugged construction and its transparency. They're just my favorite mics, as an A1 *AND* as an A2. Last gig I toured had Countryman EMW's and B3's. The EMW's were the ones that got replaced under fire. The B3's seemed to hold up, but I prefer the sound of the MKE-2. Buy 1.5x as many lavs as you need rx. Next, pick a tx pack. Decide how many rx you need, and add two tx. One for a hot spare, and another just in case. Take your entire budget, devide by the number of rx you need (minus the cost of the extra tx and mics) and see what's in your budget. The Senn 5012 is a great tx, but very pricey. If you can find something in the 3063 range used, you'll do fine. I've no experience with the Evolution, but I've heard good things about the 300/500 systems. Make sure that you can get them with the MKE-2's. Shure's UHF Series work well, too. I've used these in theatre, corporate, and live music events, and never had a systematic or chronic problem with them. Sony makes a decent wireless in the WRT-822, and the MB806A rx rack can hold up to six rx. Same gig, as the others, get mics you like, and buy the packs naked. Sony and Shure make great W/less tx and rx, but their mics fall short of 'good'. Also field tested and passed are the WRT-820A tx and WRR-840A Rx. Copper is dependable, and wireless is expensive, those are the rules. There are cheaper tx/rx combos out there, and if your budget can't handle the best, get the next best thing. If you can't afford that, remember your production triangle. The 'good' leg is VERY dependent on the 'cheap' leg for this one. Make SURE that you get frequency agile tx/rx setups, and make SURE that you're at least in the UHF range. Pay attention to the freqs in your area that are assigned to DTV. They'll dictate what's going to be available for use in your theatre. Contact the local FCC for this info. Or, go here: . Wireless mics are by far the most troubling item sound has to deal with in theatre; and cheap wireless mics are the things that haunt our nightmares. Having dropouts, crosstalk from the fire/maintanence folk, crackle, and just plain bad audio is far wors than having to block around not tangling up the trailing mic cables. Trust me. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FE3E [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: Re: MissWisc Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:15:20 -0700 A general heads up, I received email from MissWisc on Monday that looks suspiciously like a virus. A) I never sent her email, and her reply was a RE: B) I don't sell anything, and her reply was for "your product". Heads UP, MissWisc Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------------------------------ Subject: Virus (was RE: MissWisc) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:33:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Joe Golden" I have gotten 15-20 emails from people on the list that my server removes virus attachments from, as well as bogus [at] stagecraft.com addresses. It is always going to be a problem. >-------------------------------------------- >=20 > A general heads up, I received email from MissWisc on Monday=20 > that looks suspiciously like a virus. >=20 > A) I never sent her email, and her reply was a RE: >=20 > B) I don't sell anything, and her reply was for "your product". >=20 ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <155.387bef9c.2e133d68 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:47:20 EDT Subject: Re: MissWisc Cc: chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca I'm on a MAC. If it's a virus, it's probably not coming from me but from someone who's got me in their address book. I don't keep an address book for viruses to scavenge. Good luck! Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40E1E472.60609 [at] peak.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:51:46 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Virus (was RE: MissWisc) References: In-Reply-To: Joe Golden wrote: >I have gotten 15-20 emails from people on the list that my server >removes virus attachments from, as well as bogus [at] stagecraft.com >addresses. It is always going to be a problem. > > > >>-------------------------------------------- >> >>A general heads up, I received email from MissWisc on Monday >>that looks suspiciously like a virus. >> >>A) I never sent her email, and her reply was a RE: >> >>B) I don't sell anything, and her reply was for "your product". >> >> >> If your address is, or has been, available anywhere on the 'Net - on a Web site, in a posting to a Usenet group, whatever - then you're very likely in one of the address databases that get passed back and forth among the spammers and virus-writers. Not only does this guarantee that you'll receive virus/spam-laden mail, but it makes it very likely that other people will get the same thing looking like it comes from you, no matter how diligent you are about avoiding infection, because the ***holes use the same databases to generate fake "From: " addresses on the payload-carrying mail. Along with other spam and virus filters, I now have all my mailboxes configured to reject or quarantine any file that comes with an attachment, period. I've gone back to using Web sites or good old ftp for exchanging most files - but nine times out of 10 I have to walk the sender through the process of sending a file via ftp, and sometimes have to help them find the software that will let them do it. The up side is that my filters also grab all of those stupid "forward this funny picture to all your friends" messages some of my relatives insist on sending me. -- Pat Kight Albany, Ore., Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:28:52 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, CB wrote: > Remind them that at $1.98, the Bic lighter is 'cutting edge', and that > 'cutting edge' usually means the budget to back it up. In other words, the > two tend to be mutually exclusive. If my client says that he wants the > brightest black that he can get, or the loudest silence the speakers can > produce, I begin the physics lesson. A classic post, Chris - and one of the prime reasons I read every one ;-) Thanks, Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000c01c45e2c$236bdd20$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Wireless wigborne mic suggestions Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:55:12 -0700 Thanks to one and all for the wireless mic suggestions. (Keep them rolling if there are still other things out there to consider.) CB, I knew I could count on you for good and technical advice. I greatly appreciate the info on the 'non-Countryman' mics - Countryman is about the only name one hears about anymore, when discussing sub-mini lavs. Andy and Mike, I appreciate the word from the trenches as well. This all is very helpful. The funds won't be available for probably 1 yr to 18 months from now, but I need to prepare those that shall shake the trees for dollars tonight. -- Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:44:35 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: MissWisc At 5:47 PM -0400 6/29/04, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > I'm on a MAC. I knew there was something about you I *really* liked. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:49:28 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Wireless wigborne mic suggestions At 3:55 PM -0700 6/29/04, Jon Ares wrote: > CB, I knew I could count on you for good and technical advice. > I greatly appreciate the info on the 'non-Countryman' mics - > Countryman is about the only name one hears about anymore, when > discussing sub-mini lavs. Not that I know great gobs about audio, but I'd chip in a hearty "AMEN" for the Sennheiser "mickey-twos", too... Even I, a lowly slug, can ring out an MKE-II and have it survive a close encounter with an actroid while still sounding good. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:07:14 -0400 From: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Portable Staging/Load bearing welds Cc: mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu (Michael Powers) Message-id: <1088568434.40e23c723734b [at] mail-www3.oit.umass.edu> usctd [at] columbia.sc writes: >>Mr Powers wrote: "2. Make sure no weld is load bearing in any >>direction. " >>How is this possible in a decking application? Curious. Eric, MR Powers, ???? Did my dad make a post???? It is possible by simply designing so that all welds are at a joint that is in compression or supported by other elements along the lines of stress and that all joints in tension or latteral stress are bolt, rivet or other type of mechanical fastener. Example, a leg, welded to the under side of a frame is in compression and the load is not bearing on the weld. A leg bolted or welded to the inside the frame places the load on the bolt or weld to support the weight. If a platform frame is constructed with welded corners, the lid or deck acts as a giant gusset (especcially in the case of stress skin units) so the welds are reinforced in re: lateral forces on the welds. Hope that answers you question. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Theatre Department 112 FAC West 151 Presidents Drive, Ofc.2 Amherst, Ma. 01003-9331 413-545-6821 voice 413-577-0025 fax mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <678C85E4-CA54-11D8-9F71-003065D2C502 [at] klad.com> From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: MissWisc Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:14:47 -0400 me too! On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Rigger wrote: > I knew there was something about you I *really* liked. > ----- Kevin Lee Allen Production Designer http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.cell klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #56 ****************************