Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #81 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:00:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #81 1. Re: 4x8 by Charlie Richmond 2. Re: 4x8 by Kåre Olai Lindbach 3. Re: bILS 7/22 POST by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 4. Re: 4x8 by John Bracewell 5. Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by "Delbert Hall" 6. Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by Stephen Litterst 7. Does anyone recognize this Theater? by Jason Tollefson 8. Re: Does anyone recognize this Theater? by "Randy B." 9. Test by "Delbert Hall" 10. Re: Does anyone recognize this Theater? by "Paul H. Sullivan" 11. Re: Test by "Jon Ares" 12. Re: 4x8 by Sunil Rajan 13. Re: Does anyone recognize this Theater? by Kevin Holly 14. Re: 4x8 by Kåre Olai Lindbach 15. Re: Does anyone recognize this Theater? by "Tony Deeming" 16. London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by CB 17. Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by Steve Larson 18. Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 19. Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by Charlie Richmond 20. Homemade Gobos by "Matt Cudmore" 21. Re: Homemade Gobos by Stephen Litterst 22. Re: Homemade Gobos by "Jon Ares" 23. Re: Homemade Gobos by "Matt Cudmore" 24. Re: basic skill levels - was:High school musical lighting by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 25. Re: 4x8 by Andy Ciddor 26. Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 27. Re: Homemade Gobos by Jeff Kanyuck *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:24:12 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: 4x8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, David Duffy wrote: > Carpenters and other woodworkers don't use centimetres do they? My tape measure is described as a 4m/13ft one by Lufkin and has basic divisions of cm and mm, with cm numbered and every 10cm in large red type. The imperial side is just in inches and 16ths (32nds for th first 12 inches) and every 12 inches is labeled in red. > I've never heard one use anything other than millmetres or metres. As Andy says, these are the standard SI units. Here's a page that provides a lot of information on the SI system, from the National Institute of Standards & Technology (in the US): http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/units.html Enjoy! Charlie ------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=E5re_Olai_Lindbach?= Subject: Re: 4x8 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:16:58 +0200 Organization: LLP Message-ID: <4lf4g0pee48vrl8n42k7qt6ff7sl6j3dn7 [at] 4ax.com> References:

In-Reply-To: On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:39:23 +1000, you (David Duffy ) wrote: >Carpenters and other woodworkers don't use centimetres do they? >I've never heard one use anything other than millmetres or metres. In Norway we have had the metric system since before 1900, but for hammernails and wood, and a lot more, as in plumbing, we have used tums ("tommer", today same as inch) up till around 1980. Still many, myself included use tums on woodwork, as it is easier to say ex. 2" by 4" plank. (We use the " sign). So 4x8 would be well understood! Exact measurements are usually in mm (even decimals of that), but for bigger things we usually refer to it as 1-2 digits decimal metres. (ie: 3.4 m by 5.6 m). The doors and windows are measured/sorted in _decimetres_ (dm) by the factory. ie: a door is 19 x 8, meaning 190 x 80 centimetres. In daily use we donot use decimetres much, more metres and centimetres (cm), and decimals thereof. If one use millimetres, one gives the impression that the measure is rather precise, and should be treated as such. Therefore the use of millimetres to describe dimensions of a plank, is a way to describe the tolerance given by the standards. In daily use to descibe the size, one usually would use an approximation size in cm or decimal metres. We still use, and know of, some measurements that are not metric. -- mvh/Regards Kåre Olai Lindbach (News: Remove '_delete_' and '.invalid') (HTML-written email from unknown will be discarded) ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <81.1156b035.2e33a312 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:33:38 EDT Subject: Re: bILS 7/22 POST In a message dated 7/23/04 1:42:13 PM, Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com writes: << Do you stock the slings of outrageous fortune? What about the arrows or is that props? >> Normally, yes. But at the moment I'm out of stock on the former and all I have left of the latter are some used one left over from Little Big Man. I'll keep you posted. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040724073004.052f4a08 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:41:55 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: 4x8 In-Reply-To: References:

>My good ole 'murrican (Lufkin) tape measure has both metric and imperial >side by side - quite handy ;-) Yep. Until you need a fairly accurate reading in a situation where you can't get the scale you want right against the board you need to mark. I still wish the US had gone metric back when the government tried to make that happen. We were SO close. Damn! --JLB ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:43:20 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <001a01c47173$6bf96260$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: I will be in London form Aug. 1 - 15, when are you (Stephen and James) going to be there? Is anyone else on the list going to be in London in early August? Maybe we can meet at a pub. -Delbert -----Original Message----- I was just about to post a very similar message, although I only have two days in London as an add-on to Holland and Brussels. So, please include me on your replies to Stephen! --James Feinberg Production Manager, Theatre Arts Program University of San Diego feinberg [at] sandiego.edu > Anyway, we're finalizing our plans for nine days in and around London. > Assuming that we'll hit all the "traditional" tourist stuff, what do folks > suggest we make sure to see? Any good off-the-beaten-path museums > and such? Our plan is to spend most of our time in and around London, > with maybe some bus trips to Bath and Stratford and maybe an overnight > up to Scotland to go kilt shopping. > > Needless to say, if you have a theatre or shop in the London area > (reachable by tube and foot -- I'm *NOT* renting a car) and wouldn't mind > me poking around, please let me know. Have to have something to make > this count as a business trip. ;-) > > Any and all suggestions are welcome. Responses should be sent to me > directly (slitterst [at] ithaca.edu) so we don't clutter up the list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:07:21 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) Message-id: <26a632590b.2590b26a63 [at] ithaca.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: Delbert Hall Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 7:43 am Subject: Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) > ---------------------------- > > I will be in London from Aug. 1 - 15, when are you (Stephen and James) > going to be there? Is anyone else on the list going to be in > London in > early August? Maybe we can meet at a pub. > > -Delbert I'll be in London from Tuesday 7/27 to Thursday 8/5. I would love to meet in a pub. Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Dept of Theatre Arts 607.274.34947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040724141905.81199.qmail [at] web50310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tollefson Subject: Does anyone recognize this Theater? In-Reply-To: The pop singer, Jessica Simpson's, new video "Angel" takes place on and backstage of an empty theater and I was wondering if anyone here recognizes the venue. If you can't stand her singing just turn the volume down. http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/JessicaSimpson/video/JessicaSimpson_AngelsVidFull_300.asx Thanks, I'm afraid this might drive me nuts if I don't figure it out. BTW: It might make a good recruitment video for flymen : ) Jason Tollefson LD-at-Large Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c4718e$1a6dba70$0b0aa8c0 [at] A.SCJ.COM> From: "Randy B." References: Subject: Re: Does anyone recognize this Theater? Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:54:20 -0500 Looks like a 1920's era house, maybe an early movie house. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Tollefson" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: Does anyone recognize this Theater? > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The pop singer, Jessica Simpson's, new video "Angel" takes place on and backstage of an empty > theater and I was wondering if anyone here recognizes the venue. If you can't stand her singing > just turn the volume down. > > http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/JessicaSimpson/video/JessicaSimpson_AngelsV idFull_300.asx > > Thanks, I'm afraid this might drive me nuts if I don't figure it out. BTW: It might make a good > recruitment video for flymen : ) > > Jason Tollefson > LD-at-Large > Orlando, FL > ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Test Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:09:05 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c47190$2a89f4d0$6600a8c0 [at] etsu.edu> In-Reply-To: This is a test. Please do not reply. -Delbert ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040724111214.00b51068 [at] pop.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:21:27 -0400 From: "Paul H. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Does anyone recognize this Theater? In-Reply-To: References: Looks to me like the Saenger Theatre in new Orleans. (It was built at the same time as The Fox Movie Palaces and was their primary Southern Competitor. In an effort to out do some of the northern competitors, he supposedly bought the chandeliers from the house of mirrors in Versailles to decorate the lobby. It, the Saenger, and the Foxes (Detroit, Atlanta, and St. Louis) are truly worth seeing if your in any of their cities. Paul H. Sullivan Production Manager Times Union Center for the Performing Arts Jacksonville FL 32202 At 07:19 AM 7/24/2004 -0700, you wrote: >http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/JessicaSimpson/video/JessicaSimpson_AngelsVidFull_300.asx > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002001c47196$f4351890$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Test Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:57:41 -0700 > This is a test. Please do not reply. > > -Delbert > Don't tell me what to do. -- Jon Ares Theatre Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <78CA1766-DD8B-11D8-96D3-000A95BD64AC [at] earthlink.net> From: Sunil Rajan Subject: Re: 4x8 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:06:50 -0400 > From: Charlie Richmond > Subject: Re: 4x8 >>> 2440.000 millimetre [mm] equivalent to: 96.06280 inch [in] >> >> And for crikey's sakes would it be so bad to call it 122 CENTImeters >> by 244 >> CENTImeters? :) > > Why does this always upset people? Metric is so easy to express in > whatever > terms you prefer. I for one, really dig metric, especially when I'm overseas. Plus, metric almost always "gets" to places better than Imperial. I bought a lot of Sony "Starquad" mic cables years ago, they're designed for high RF rejection and use in TV studios, and they are all 10 meter cable. I love them, because they'll get you almost anywhere you need to go, without too much excess (how many times have you used a 25' cable and just needed an extra foot or so to plug into the stagebox?). Maybe it's just me... Cheers, Sunil Rajan Freelance Audio Mercenary ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4708570.1090686528201.JavaMail.kholly [at] mac.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:28:48 -0500 From: Kevin Holly Subject: Re: Does anyone recognize this Theater? On Saturday, July 24, 2004, at 10:21AM, Paul H. Sullivan wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Looks to me like the Saenger Theatre in new Orleans. Inside Report of Angels Video by Carnival King The video was shot in one day, on Memorial Day, in New Orleans (where she was preparing for her tour, which started last Friday) . My sister was Jessica Simpson's stand in for the video. Matthew Rolsten is the director...he also did videos for Madonna and Destiny's Child. The budget was approximately $150,000. Jessica wears a white dress and beige outfit in the video. There is a scene where she is on top of the State Palace Theater singing with a full orchestra. The scene was shot at sunset, although it was cloudy, and apparently doves or pigeons were released. However, the majority of the video was shot in the Saenger theater. ------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=E5re_Olai_Lindbach?= Subject: Re: 4x8 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:13:01 +0200 Organization: LLP Message-ID: References:

In-Reply-To: On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:06:50 -0400, you (Sunil Rajan ) wrote: >I for one, really dig metric, especially when I'm overseas. Plus, >metric almost always "gets" to places better than Imperial. I bought a >lot of Sony "Starquad" mic cables years ago, they're designed for high >RF rejection and use in TV studios, and they are all 10 meter cable. I >love them, because they'll get you almost anywhere you need to go, >without too much excess (how many times have you used a 25' cable and >just needed an extra foot or so to plug into the stagebox?). >Maybe it's just me... Why not bring a 30' next time... ;-) Well, there might be some truth in it, as I usually make cables in multiplies of 5 metres (if longer than 5m), which should be similar to 16' intervals. -- mvh/Regards Kåre Olai Lindbach (News: Remove '_delete_' and '.invalid') (HTML-written email from unknown will be discarded) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005501c471a6$edbad210$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Does anyone recognize this Theater? Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:52:03 +0100 Dunno about the theatre, but I most certainly prefer the right-pond (Robbie Williams) original vocal rendition! He's a lot less of a false poseur, too (Robbie's poses are all naturally his!!) though her chest is definitely the better of the two!! 8-)) Ynot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Tollefson" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Does anyone recognize this Theater? > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The pop singer, Jessica Simpson's, new video "Angel" takes place on and backstage of an empty > theater and I was wondering if anyone here recognizes the venue. If you can't stand her singing > just turn the volume down. > > http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/JessicaSimpson/video/JessicaSimpson_AngelsVidFull_300.asx > > Thanks, I'm afraid this might drive me nuts if I don't figure it out. BTW: It might make a good > recruitment video for flymen : ) > > Jason Tollefson > LD-at-Large > Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040724130217.0182a420 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:02:17 From: CB Subject: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) >Anyway, we're finalizing our plans for nine days in and around London. >Assuming that we'll hit all the "traditional" tourist stuff, what do folks >suggest we make sure to see? As you exit the King's ross tube station, teke a right. Walk past the Marriott and keep going till the road splits. In the split is a small cafe run by Indians or Pakistani. The Cappucino were a quid and a haf, huge, and great, and the breakfast was the best food I had in London. Not too pricey, either! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:56:44 -0400 Subject: Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sorry to correct....King's Cross Station. Stayed in the area back in '74. Very affordable B&B's. Steve on 7/24/04 1:02 PM, CB at psyd [at] cox.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Anyway, we're finalizing our plans for nine days in and around London. >> Assuming that we'll hit all the "traditional" tourist stuff, what do folks >> suggest we make sure to see? > > As you exit the King's ross tube station, teke a right. Walk past the > Marriott and keep going till the road splits. In the split is a small cafe > run by Indians or Pakistani. The Cappucino were a quid and a haf, huge, > and great, and the breakfast was the best food I had in London. Not too > pricey, either! > > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > > ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <14.2f17f7a5.2e341f13 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:22:43 EDT Subject: Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) There is a lounge in the Marriott (of all places) right behind the Eye that is wonderful. The woodwork is amazing and the drinks are great. It's called the city tavern or something like that. On a different note, the best lunchtime fare I've had is on Horse Ferry Road near Vincent Square. I don't know the name of the place but it's got a faded blue awning. Best sourdough sandwiches I've ever had on either side of the pond. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:09:16 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Delbert Hall wrote: > I will be in London form Aug. 1 - 15, when are you (Stephen and James) > going to be there? Is anyone else on the list going to be in London in > early August? Maybe we can meet at a pub. I am [almost] always here these days and have sent private messages to those who have posted so far... Charlie + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + ------------------------------ From: "Matt Cudmore" Subject: Homemade Gobos Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: Hey everyone, I was wondering if it'd be safe for me to make a gobo out of an aluminum soda can for use in an Altman 3.5" Ellipsoidal? Advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Matt Cudmore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:15:14 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Homemade Gobos Message-id: <324c131e72.31e72324c1 [at] ithaca.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Cudmore Subject: Homemade Gobo > ---------------------------- > I was wondering if it'd be safe for me to make a gobo out of an > aluminumsoda can for use in an Altman 3.5" Ellipsoidal? Advice > would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks! I'd be a little worried by that. Aluminum is pretty soft and has a (relatively) low melting point. I had some unsuccessful experiments with aluminum templates in college. I was trying to make a star field, and ended up making a great animated supernova. The best material I've found has been off-set printer's tin. Most print shops will give you a couple sheets for free, since it's just a waste product to them. Great for custom shutter shapes as well. Fairly rigid, yet easy to machine. You can also use disposable baking tins for gobos, but it's a little harder to cut well b/c of the ridges that most of them have. Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Dept of Theatre Arts 607.274.34947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002501c471e5$4ca3a8e0$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Homemade Gobos Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:18:30 -0700 > > I was wondering if it'd be safe for me to make a gobo out of an aluminum > soda can for use in an Altman 3.5" Ellipsoidal? Advice would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks! You certainly can - be careful not to cut yourself. Aluminum cans can be tricky to cut delicate patterns in though. Also, be aware that the ink (paint?) on the can will burn in the fixture. I'd recommend cutting up a pie pan or turkey pan... much easier to cut, and won't stink and smoke in the fixture. (Remove turkey or pie first.) Plus, if you use the turkey/oven pans, you'll have enough flat material for lots of gobos. And, they're usually sold in packs of 2. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "Matt Cudmore" Subject: Re: Homemade Gobos Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:42:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alright, sounds good! I'll try and get some off-set printer's tin. I thought I would ask about an aluminum can is because they're easy to put a pattern printed on paper and taped over the aluminum, then use a utility knife to cut the desired shape out. Now, I'm not planning on using the gobo for long periods of time. I'm thinking maybe 5 minutes the most with the level [at] around 70%. Would that make any difference between using the printer's tin and aluminium? -Matt -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Litterst Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:15 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Homemade Gobos For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Cudmore Subject: Homemade Gobo > ---------------------------- > I was wondering if it'd be safe for me to make a gobo out of an > aluminumsoda can for use in an Altman 3.5" Ellipsoidal? Advice > would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks! I'd be a little worried by that. Aluminum is pretty soft and has a (relatively) low melting point. I had some unsuccessful experiments with aluminum templates in college. I was trying to make a star field, and ended up making a great animated supernova. The best material I've found has been off-set printer's tin. Most print shops will give you a couple sheets for free, since it's just a waste product to them. Great for custom shutter shapes as well. Fairly rigid, yet easy to machine. You can also use disposable baking tins for gobos, but it's a little harder to cut well b/c of the ridges that most of them have. Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Dept of Theatre Arts 607.274.34947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12b.46f9ffd1.2e3471dc [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:15:56 EDT Subject: Re: basic skill levels - was:High school musical lighting Sunil Rajan writes: >I was VERY fortunate to have excellent teachers in college and >beginning professional life. It does seem that this is becoming much >rarer though, which is a shame. It seems here in NYC, that there are a >lot of technicians without the basic skills (running cable, flying, >rigging, etc.) who have been working for a long time. I think this is why the Entertainment Technician Certification Program (ETCP) is moving forward so rapidly. Many are seeing the need to verify and validate technical knowledge/skills in our business. Unions AND major employers are both supporting the program. This is an historic moment. As noted in another post, right now there is an opportunity for riggers (arena and theatrical) to offer comments on the rigging skills program. Details at www.esta.org . Steve Vanciel member of the Rigging Skills and Electrical Skills Working Groups Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040725115639.039e6de8 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:16:48 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: 4x8 In-Reply-To: References:

At 03:13 25.07.2004, K=E5re Olai Lindbach wrote: >Why not bring a 30' next time... ;-) > >Well, there might be some truth in it, as I usually make cables in >multiplies of 5 metres (if longer than 5m), which should be similar to >16' intervals. What you all seem to have missed here is that being a Universal Law,=20 Murphy's Law of Cable Length applies equally to Metric (SI), Imperial (fps)= =20 and even Biblical measurement systems. Stated in its original, culturally neutral, form the law states: "The only available cable will be ether slightly too short, or excessively= =20 too long." This is usually quoted in the Imperial units translation as: "The only available cable is either an inch too short or thirty feet too= long." The Metric version frequently uses "10mm too short" and "10m too long". However, my point is that Metric cable lengths are just as problematic to=20 the entertainment technical practitioner (lights, sound, mechanics,=20 automation, audiovisual, pyrotechnic, carpentry, etc) as are Imperial ones.= =20 The only difference is the units used to measure the shortfall or excess. Andy ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ~: Andy Ciddor aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au :~ ~: The Kilowatt Company Telephone: +61 3 6229 1662 :~ ~: ABN 84 034 522 035 Facsimile: +61 3 6229 1662 :~ ~: Production | Technology | Communications Mobile: +61 (0)419 925 730 :~ ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~ ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <55.5cedd841.2e3478a8 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:44:56 EDT Subject: Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) Steve L writes: >what do folks suggest we make sure to see? The Royal National Theatre complex is a must see. They have a backstage tour and excellent productions, reasonably priced. The discount theatre ticket booth at Liechester Square - good deals for day of at most West End theatres. There are wonderful little used-book shops near the theatre district, around Charring Cross Road and St Martin's Lane, as I recall. Theatre History Museum, British Museum and Victoria and Albert Museums (good for period primary research) and all of the art museums as well. SteveV Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:24:40 -0800 From: Jeff Kanyuck Subject: Re: Homemade Gobos Message-id: <000701c471f6$ebd1b860$c04bed18 [at] anchorageak.net> References:

Ditto on what John said about the Turkey pans. I've used those to make gobos and donuts of all kinds. It's a bit easier (in my opinion) to use than the aluminum of a soda can which starts out as a can. You also get more clean material for the price compared to the same in soda cans. Jeff Kanyuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Ares" Subject: Re: Homemade Gobos > > I was wondering if it'd be safe for me to make a gobo out of an aluminum > > soda can for use in an Altman 3.5" Ellipsoidal? Advice would be greatly > > appreciated. Thanks! > > > You certainly can - be careful not to cut yourself. Aluminum cans can be > tricky to cut delicate patterns in though. Also, be aware that the ink > (paint?) on the can will burn in the fixture. > > I'd recommend cutting up a pie pan or turkey pan... much easier to cut, and > won't stink and smoke in the fixture. (Remove turkey or pie first.) Plus, > if you use the turkey/oven pans, you'll have enough flat material for lots > of gobos. And, they're usually sold in packs of 2. > > -- Jon Ares > Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts > www.hevanet.com/acreative > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #81 ****************************