Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4347766; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 03:01:44 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #126 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 03:01:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #126 1. Re: Stagecraft lesson plans by "Delbert Hall" 2. Acer Laptops by "Tom Hackman" 3. Re: Acer Laptops by "Alf Sauve" 4. Re: prices by Shawn Palmer 5. Re: prices by Stephen Litterst 6. Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by Dave Reynolds 7. Re: Stagecraft course by usctd [at] columbia.sc 8. Re: Stagecraft lesson plans by usctd [at] columbia.sc 9. Re: Olympics by IAEG [at] aol.com 10. Re: Toshiba Laptops by "Paul Guncheon" 11. Grund Audio Design by Shawn Palmer 12. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by "Alf Sauve" 13. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by "Jon Ares" 14. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by "Kevin Patrick" 15. Re: Acer Laptops by Charlie Richmond 16. Re: prices by "Joe Golden" 17. Re: prices by Shawn Palmer 18. Re: prices by "Jon Ares" 19. Re: stagecraft lesson plan by CB 20. Cry for help by CB 21. Re: prices by "Joe Golden" 22. Re: stagecraft lesson plan by CB 23. Re: Olympics by CB 24. Re: Need some quotes for lighting instruments by CB 25. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 26. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by "Andy Leviss" 27. Re: cheeseboro ratings by Jason Tollefson 28. Re: Stagecraft course by "Delbert Hall" 29. Re: cheeseboro ratings by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 30. Wings for Angels. by Michael Powers 31. Re: prices by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 32. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by "Tony Deeming" 33. Re: Wings for Angels. by usctd [at] columbia.sc 34. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 35. Re: cheeseboro ratings by "richard j. archer" 36. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by "Andy Leviss" 37. Re: Stagecraft lesson plans by Mike Rock 38. Re: stagecraft lesson plan by MissWisc [at] aol.com 39. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by Kåre Olai Lindbach 40. Re: cheeseboro ratings by MissWisc [at] aol.com 41. Re: Wings for Angels. by "Delbert Hall" 42. Fogger Was: prices by Dale Farmer 43. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 44. Re: Stagecraft course by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 45. Re: Stagecraft course by "Delbert Hall" 46. Re: Toshiba laptops by "Nicholas Kuhl" 47. Re: cheeseboro ratings by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 48. Full Monty by Greg Bierly 49. New Job by "Scott C. Parker" 50. Re: Toshiba laptops by Andy Ciddor *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: Stagecraft lesson plans Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:25:47 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c494c5$0b863730$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: Hear, hear John. It is great that Mike has a plan for his life, but he should not think that he has to lock himself into that plan. Mike - realize that you may (and probably will) change that plan as you discover more possibilities for your life, but your current plan is what will lead you to those new discoveries, and that is good. Learn to take advantage of good opportunities when they happen. As John said, "go for it." -Delbert -----Original Message----- I'll also second Delbert's comments about your life not turning out as you plan it when you're seventeen. But that certainly doesn't mean that you shouldn't plan and that you shouldn't pursue your immediate interests. One interest can lead to another in amazing ways. And sometimes you also find out that your first interests turn out to be your life interests. So go for it. Best of luck. -- JLB ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007801c494d5$76e9df80$87d11ed8 [at] Hackman1> From: "Tom Hackman" References: Subject: Acer Laptops Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:23:16 -0400 Hi all; After the discussion in yesterday's digest, I was curious, so I googled around for Acer Laptops. Looking at the prices, I am wondering why I haven't bought one yet. Does antbody have anything bad to say about them? TIA Tom Hackman TD/Scene Designer Davis & Elkins College Elkins, WV ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0e7201c494da$73baf470$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: Re: Acer Laptops Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:52:26 -0400 It's been a few years since I owned one, but I thought they made a good product. I believe they spend more time making them as an OEM for others to brand than they do in promoting their own equipment. Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hackman" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Acer Laptops > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all; > After the discussion in yesterday's digest, I was curious, so I googled > around for Acer Laptops. Looking at the prices, I am wondering why I haven't > bought one yet. Does antbody have anything bad to say about them? > TIA > > Tom Hackman > TD/Scene Designer > Davis & Elkins College > Elkins, WV > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <413DB346.7070303 [at] northnet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 08:10:30 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: prices References: In-Reply-To: >>and accessories, and I can make about 150 fifty-five gallon drum dry >>ice foggers for the price of one Aqua Fogger. >> > > > Did you consider your wages or the value of your labor when you > calculated the cost of making 150 dry ice foggers? Besides that, for > rental applications no phone calls at 7:00 p.m. about burned out > heaters or leaking drums counts for a WHOLE LOT. You win on that one. The Aquafogger is still a bit pricey in my book, although very nice. I have used one on occasion. Maybe City Theatrical labor drives the cost over $3,000... and the CT SS6000 ( a fancy 55 gallon drum) lists at $7700! I am pretty sure the Aquafogger used to cost more. I think the price has come down. That does make it more attractive. When it is down to about $2,000 I'll make my move. Until then, viva 55 gallon drums! Shawn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:21:50 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: prices Message-id: <413DB5EE.C11851E9 [at] Ithaca.edu> Organization: Ithaca College References:

Shawn Palmer wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------- > I am pretty sure the Aquafogger used to cost more. I think the price > has come down. That does make it more attractive. When it is down to > about $2,000 I'll make my move. Until then, viva 55 gallon drums! The price has been $3300 for as long as I can remember. It's easy to remember the price, since it's the same as the model number. :) Steve L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 08:38:20 -0500 From: Dave Reynolds Subject: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) Cc: reynolds [at] Macalester.edu Message-id: <2147483647.1094546300 [at] [141.140.13.64]> Hi, I run a show called "Isolation" that deals with teen suicide. There are numerous gunshots during the show. Does anyone know of a way to have the actor firing the pistol remotely cue the CD player with the gunshot??? (Blanks are NOT an option). Thanks! Dave Reynolds A man finds joy in giving an apt reply - and how good is a timely word! --Proverbs 15:23, New International Version Dave Reynolds Media Services Macalester College 1600 Grand Ave. St. Paul, MN 55105 voice: (651) 696-6378 fax: (651) 696-6304 reynolds [at] macalester.edu DV Cassie with lots of fonts and effects, KRON and Final Cut Pro. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1997.129.252.241.105.1094567280.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Stagecraft course From: usctd [at] columbia.sc >(welding is something I have to forego do to lack of both experience >> on >> my part, and equipment on the part of the school). > On the thought of welding, is there anything specific I should concentrate > on that would help me in the tech field, I am taking the class but there > are 31 people and only 14 welding stations so I might not get as much > practice time as I would like. If you don't get much actual welding time, try to focus on layout and the concepts behind making good welds. It's great if you can put down a nice bead, but if it is not square and if it warps, who cares? Make sure you understand how metal reacts to heat and how that relates to your weld process. I will be happy to expand on this if you like. -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 09:18 AM 9/6/2004 -0400, you wrote: >>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >>--------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2004.129.252.241.105.1094567791.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Stagecraft lesson plans From: usctd [at] columbia.sc Mike, NARROW YOUR FOCUS! You have too much in your list, dude. I am overseeing 3 ind study students this semester and they are only focusing on rigging and welding. It's still not enough time. I would narrow down that list to, at most, four topics that you can learn about in depth. I guarrantee that you could break down each topic into at least eight different sub categories. I think all the topics are great, but you won't have the time to truly learn about them. If right now your focus is more towards props, then focus towards that. If its scenic technology, then go that direction. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but I really like John Holloways Illustrated Theatre Production Guide. It's great for intro students and provides a good learning path. Check it out. -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > I am in the process of getting my independent study approved for next > semester and one of the required things is a lesson plan and a way to > evaluate myself. While I have a rough idea on what I want to teach myself > I > am rather clueless about grading myself. So I am asking for a little help. > I know this list has a few teachers and a few that teach technical theater > so I figure what better place to ask. As far as a lesson plan goes how > detailed should it be? Right now mine looks like: > > > Safety 2 Units > basic electronics 3 > knots and proper applications 2 > Shop (fasteners, tools, techniques) 4 > Finishing techniques (feather brushing shading and dry brushing etc) 2 > Stage management 3 > Rigging 5 > Light design and conventionals 5 > Light programing and moving lights 5 > Sound 8 > Whats What (proper use of rack gear and counsel) > Signal path > Microphone types and selection > Micing techniques > Advanced Audio (digital and the like) > Trouble shooting > > Costume and props 5 > > > Final exit project: Talent Show > > > Right now I have about 44 'units' of material to cover, because I need 76 > hours to get credit for the class I think each unit will be a two hour > block of time. I have rather limited resources and when I asked about what > my budget for books and supplies were I was shot a side ways glance and > the > answer We can discuses that when we move forward with this.So for now I > will be using Life on the Road by William R. Boswell which is a good book > that covers the basics of touring production until I get another book. > > > If some one could suggest another good book or a few cheaper but more > detailed books I might be willing to pick them up out of pocket. Also if > someone knows of a resource for work sheets or tests or if some one would > be willing to share theirs that would be great. > > > Mike Rock > > rockm [at] new.rr.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:59:02 -0400 From: IAEG [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Olympics Message-ID: <10AB59C5.10FFA0CB.00002B9E [at] aol.com> Tampa is here, , Keith will probably be in Charlotte. Still no electricity and home / office checking email from Public Library around the corner with both, enough debris on property for a couple of medium size trucks, but no serious damage. Others through out Florida not so lucky, pity the poor people who got hit by BOTH Charley AND Francis, , I feel lucky, keith ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002801c494e7$ebb747f0$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Toshiba Laptops Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 04:35:27 -1000 I have a Toshiba Satellite that has gone though 2 batteries ($100 ea.) even though I rarely ever used it unplugged. The CD/DVD player is dead as well as the 3-1/2" drive. I had a desktop PC in which I replaced evry component except for the CD burner and modem. My current desktop is named "MyLastPC. Laters, Paul "File this please." rasped Tom." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <413DC92D.5050501 [at] northnet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:43:57 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Grund Audio Design I am looking for opinions on the GAD speaker line. I am specifically looking at the GT-5301 and the GT 3000 subs. Does anyone have good or bad experiences with this brand? As always, thanks very much! Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0edb01c494e9$b46204f0$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:43:53 -0400 Here's a thought, depending on how big the gun is. Why not build a miniature MP3 player and a wireless transmitter into the "gun". Then when the actor pulls the trigger it sends the preloaded sound effect to the sound system. Will take a bit more wiring and tinkering but once built you'll have a great effect. You might even be able to sell it. One other option is IF your actor is wired with a hairline or boom mic and IF this is a suicide, put the MP3 player and a speaker into the gun. Since the gun will be close to the mic when it is fired the actors mic will pick up the sound effect. There are dedicated sound effect chips that will do gunshots you could use instead of an MP3 player. Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Reynolds" To: "Stagecraft" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, > > I run a show called "Isolation" that deals with teen suicide. There are > numerous gunshots during the show. Does anyone know of a way to have the > actor firing the pistol remotely cue the CD player with the gunshot??? > (Blanks are NOT an option). > > Thanks! > > > Dave Reynolds > > A man finds joy in giving an apt reply - and how good is a timely word! > --Proverbs 15:23, New International Version > > > > Dave Reynolds > Media Services > Macalester College > 1600 Grand Ave. > St. Paul, MN 55105 > voice: (651) 696-6378 > fax: (651) 696-6304 > reynolds [at] macalester.edu > > DV Cassie with lots of fonts and effects, KRON and Final Cut Pro. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001f01c494ea$9db242a0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:54:45 -0700 > Here's a thought, depending on how big the gun is. Why not build a > miniature MP3 player and a wireless transmitter into the "gun". Interesting idea. When I read the first query from Dave Reynolds, I was thinking about some sort of wireless IR transmitter in the barrel of the gun, triggering an audio gizmo of some sort. It would take some fiddling to get it so the player went instantaneous. Something someone like a Jerry Durand could whip up in minutes, no doubt. :) I suppose a gizmo that transmitted a radio frequency could work too - and we all know how reliable these wireless things are... -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Patrick" Subject: RE: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:08:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Could a wired effect be built into the scenery? A footswitch under a rug, that needs to be activated by a tech at the sound board so it doesn't go off when other characters walk across it, but only when the gun-toter makes the final resolute step into the unknown. I'm not sure I would trust the wireless system. Obviously, thousands of shows everyday do, but a show like this probably shouldn't have an actor say "bang" because the effect didn't work. \< Kevin Patrick Theatre.colstate.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon Ares Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:55 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Here's a thought, depending on how big the gun is. Why not build a > miniature MP3 player and a wireless transmitter into the "gun". Interesting idea. When I read the first query from Dave Reynolds, I was thinking about some sort of wireless IR transmitter in the barrel of the gun, triggering an audio gizmo of some sort. It would take some fiddling to get it so the player went instantaneous. Something someone like a Jerry Durand could whip up in minutes, no doubt. :) I suppose a gizmo that transmitted a radio frequency could work too - and we all know how reliable these wireless things are... -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the CSU Email Gateway, and is believed to be clean. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 9/3/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 9/3/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:10:36 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Acer Laptops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Tom Hackman wrote: > After the discussion in yesterday's digest, I was curious, so I googled > around for Acer Laptops. Looking at the prices, I am wondering why I haven't > bought one yet. Does antbody have anything bad to say about them? The only thing we have had go 'wrong' with the old Acer we use all the time is the labeling on the keys has started to get fainter ;-) Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + +---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+ ------------------------------ Subject: RE: prices Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:24:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Joe Golden" Having rented the drum type and the Aquafogger as well as the SS6000, having the dependability of the Aquafogger is well worth it. Most of the time I rent people the drum type I end up giving a refund as something won't work right. Joe Besides=20 > that, for=20 > > rental applications no phone calls at 7:00 p.m. about burned out=20 > > heaters or leaking drums counts for a WHOLE LOT.=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <413DD72D.6080505 [at] northnet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:43:41 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: prices References: In-Reply-To: > Having rented the drum type and the Aquafogger as well as the SS6000, > having the dependability of the Aquafogger is well worth it. Most of > the time I rent people the drum type I end up giving a refund as > something won't work right. > > Joe What? Again, I see the point of the very sleek and attractive Aquafogger. But what's so hard about getting water into the drum, filling the basket with dry ice chunks and lowering the basket when needed? Shawn ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000c01c494f3$3128ae90$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: prices Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:56:09 -0700 > What? Again, I see the point of the very sleek and attractive Aquafogger. > But what's so hard about getting water into the drum, filling the basket > with dry ice chunks and lowering the basket when needed? Tripped circuits, leaking tanks, clumsy (or weak) operator(s) scalding him/herself, cantankerous baskets, levers, lids, etc.... these types of things commonly happen, particularly when equipment is being rented - the rental company can never really know just how 'skilled' or strong the operators can be. (Not picking on anyone in particular - just things I've seen or heard.) Plus, building a tank can be a daunting task too - getting fans with the proper CFI, temperature control (as witnessed in the thread on "how to build a fogger"), figuring out the basket situation and all that can really turn one off of the DIY route. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040907092433.01835748 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:24:33 From: CB Subject: re: stagecraft lesson plan >(Mr. Babbie along >with others can speak on this.) Lights is lights and Sound is Sound. Such groupings are usually the result of not knowing what is involved in one or another, or only having a novice's appreciation of either. And, 'Mr. Babbie' is my Dad. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040907093143.01835748 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:31:43 From: CB Subject: Cry for help >Check the power to the robo's. I am not sure what the >units need to get the lamp to turn on, but I do know >that if the power is to low or fluctuating too much >then the unit will turn on and the lamp will strike >but not light. Thanks. I got the instrument to light, and realized that the lamp had been lit (and they DO need a 'lamp on' command) but that the color wheel AND the gobo wheel both have blacout settings. Needless to say, I had been playing with one, and then other, returning them to zero (black!) when I tried the next. Total Squint move! I still would love to chat with anyone familiar with the Freekie or the 2518, though. There is only so much mechancal advice that the manual can give, and the Freekie manual assumes that you come to the table with some experience and knowledge, a huge error in judgement in this particular case! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: prices Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:24:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Joe Golden" Jon, you said it perfectly. Due to the high amount of moisture, an electrical component will work at the shop when you have the machine on for 5 minutes, but after the water has been heating for 2-3 hours and the steam has touched everything, something won't want to work, even the volunteer that has to open the top to add the dry ice and gets scalded by the steam. Joe > Tripped circuits, leaking tanks, clumsy (or weak) operator(s)=20 > scalding=20 > him/herself, cantankerous baskets, levers, lids, etc....=20 > these types of=20 > things commonly happen, particularly when equipment is being=20 > rented - the=20 > rental company can never really know just how 'skilled' or strong the=20 > operators can be. (Not picking on anyone in particular -=20 > just things I've=20 > seen or heard.) Plus, building a tank can be a daunting task=20 > too - getting=20 > fans with the proper CFI, temperature control (as witnessed=20 > in the thread on=20 > "how to build a fogger"), figuring out the basket situation=20 > and all that can=20 > really turn one off of the DIY route. >=20 > -- Jon Ares > Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040907094111.01835748 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:41:11 From: CB Subject: Re: stagecraft lesson plan >Props; well, what >doesn't props need? Finding and selecting period furniture, making collapsible >chairs, re-upholstering stock items, electrifying oil lamps, finding glassware >and crockery, and I don't know what else. The most valuable thing a props person needs to know is that you can add water or milk to really strong coffee if you need to thin it out. There is nothing you can do to fix weak coffee. >Lights is lights and Sound is Sound. >While this is true, the same sort of people gravitate into them. Both require >some degree of understanding of electrical and electronic engineering, if >only to understand the control systems. Prop makers and costumers are exactly alike, too, except for their differences, Frank. Skweeks and squints differ greatly in the type of person they are. Squints tend to be very visual people. They also tend to be a bit more outgoing. The control systems on both lights and sound have little to do with engineering to get them to operate. Sound is sound, and lights are lights, and the only thing that they tend to have in common is the venue... But we have some very nice parting gifts for you there in the back. Tell him what he's won, Johnny! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040907094240.01835748 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:42:40 From: CB Subject: RE: Olympics >Olympic opening tapes for Chris Wych, Keith Arsenault, Sam and Kacey >Fisher, and Mark O'Brian are done and will ship this week. I get first dibs on M. O'B.'s tape when he's done with it! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040907094443.01835748 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:44:43 From: CB Subject: Re: Need some quotes for lighting instruments >some people have to much time on their hands.... > > Here's my quote: > > "Glad you are getting new lights!" >>Actually he wanted quotes for lighting INSTRUMENTS, such as: Actually, he asked for the quotes off-list. I guess they wouldn't be as funny that way, though. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <140.32013de3.2e6f4da0 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:45:04 EDT Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) In a message dated 07/09/04 16:09:03 GMT Daylight Time, patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu writes: > Obviously, thousands of shows everyday do, but a show like > this probably shouldn't have an actor say "bang" because the effect didn't > work. From threads on this list, and from RATS, I should have said that blanks, fired from a properly designed pistol that CANNOT fire live rounds, were far more common than trying to play in the effect through the audio system. It sounds better, you get a puff of smoke, and it's easier. I appreciate that your management may have forbidden the use of blank firing weapons, and that trying to convince them that it can be done safely is probably futile. In that case, I should go down the remote RF route, picking a frequency not in use anywhere near, and possibly ignoring FCC rules on power levels. I should also design the receiver so that it was only active when told to be. I still think that it's a messy solution to a simple problem, though. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Subject: RE: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:42:40 -0400 Organization: Duck's Echo Sound Message-ID: <005601c4950a$74ea72f0$a19afea9 [at] AndyLeviss> In-Reply-To: Frank wrote: > From threads on this list, and from RATS, I should have said > that blanks, > fired from a properly designed pistol that CANNOT fire live > rounds, were far more > common than trying to play in the effect through the audio > system. It sounds > better, you get a puff of smoke, and it's easier. > > I appreciate that your management may have forbidden the use > of blank firing > weapons, and that trying to convince them that it can be done > safely is > probably futile. I'd imagine that it not only would be futile, but incredibly stupid to do so. Why? Because, if you read the original post, THE ACTORS ARE PORTRAYING ACTS OF SUICIDE. This means the guns will be, let's all say it with me, RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR EARS. Regardless of whether the gun cannot fire live rounds, it's still going to be way too loud to safely fire right next to a head, solely from a hearing protection standpoint. On top of that, any firing weapon, blank or not, will eject its share of hot gases and other things. Again, right next to somebody's head, this is NOT a good thing. --Andy, who leaves in about an hour to join up with the tour of Sesame Street Live's "Elmo's Coloring Book" as sound engineer, and will have his "WWFWD?" desktop wallpaper on his laptop to keep him company ;o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 8/27/2004 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040907191344.64954.qmail [at] web50309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:13:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tollefson Subject: Re: cheeseboro ratings In-Reply-To: What about the cheeseboro-style clamps used to hang many moving lights? Are they not rated either. I wouldn't think they could be sold as such if they were not. Jason Tollefson Orlando, FL > Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote: > > >Standard, off the shelf, "cheeseboro" type clamps are not rated for anything. > > They were designed to position pipes in a structure, not actually carry load. ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: Stagecraft course Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:20:25 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000201c4950f$bb2a5be0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: After reviewing several books this morning, and I recommend that you adopt the following books for your stagecraft course: Budworth's THE KNOT BOOK A.S. Gillette's STAGE SCENERY: ITS CONSTRUCTION AND RIGGING Carter's BACKSTAGE HANDBOOK Suggested Objectives: 1) Know how to tie 30 knots commonly used backstage (10 loops, 10 hitches, and 10 bends) 2) Be able to describe the difference in the following rope materials: cotton, manila, nylon, polyester, polypropylene, and polyethylene 3) Know the characteristics of the following rope constructions: three-strand twisted, single-braided, double-braided, parallel core construction 4) Be able to identify: common tools, common fastening hardware, and common types of wood joints 5) Identify the parts of a single purchase counterweight system, a double purchase counterweight system, and a rope line system, and understand how these systems work 6) Know how to construct the following: a soft covered flat, a hard covered flat, a platform, a parallel, a wagon, a turntable, a jack-knife stage, a cut drop, wooden trusses, a periaktoi, a tip jack, a stage elevator, and a step unit 7) Know how to rig mechanical advantage, a traveler track, a contour curtain, and a tab curtain 8) Know general stage terms 9) Know how to run a flat, float a flat, and foot a flat (Add other objectives as you see fit.) If you master all of the above, you would be able to impress a lot of people. Good luck. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall, President Hall Associates, Inc. Phone: 423-773-HALL Web: www.flyingfx.com ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:21:48 EDT Subject: Re: cheeseboro ratings In a message dated 9/7/04 3:14:16 PM, jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com writes: > >What about the cheeseboro-style clamps used to hang many moving lights? > Are they not rated >either. I wouldn't think they could be sold as such if they were not. >> They may be Cheesboro style clamps, but they aren't cheeseboro clamps. At least not the way this industry defines both. We need to stay in the apples and apples department here. Part of the difficulty is the theatre industry penchant for using a specific manufacturer name as the generic name of the device or product. Crosby springs readily to mind. What we have traditionally called cheeseboros are not load rated. Ask any manufacturer of scaffold clamps (their real name) and they will agree. No load rating. Half coupler, swivel coupler, and the various other clamps used by truss companies and wiggle light companies may or may not be load rated. You must check with the manufacturer, or at least the paperwork, to make sure. How's zat? Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:37:05 -0400 From: Michael Powers Subject: Wings for Angels. Message-id: <413E0DE1.60101 [at] theater.umass.edu> Ladies and Gents: UMass is doing Angels in America in the spring and I'm shopping for the angel wings. I know Goodspeed has a nice manually operated set, (used them in '98 while at Meadowbrook) and Loren is/has made a pneumatic operated set. Does anyone know of other sources, especially on the east coast? We would strongly prefer the wings to be articulated and at least 10' wing span when spread out. TIA for any help. -- Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director U Mass-Amherst, Dept. of Theatre 112 Fine Arts Center West 151 Presidents Drive Ofc 2 Amherst, MA 01003-9331 Phone: 413-545-6821 Fax: 413-577-0025 mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu mptecdir [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:47:25 -0400 From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Subject: Re: prices Message-ID: <4164C0D2.17F8A28B.40D64652 [at] aol.com> If you are building a fogger for your own use, it may be cost effective. If someone else will be using the unit, don't overlook the liability issue. If you build it, you are responsible for any and all outcomes. When you are combining water and electricity, some outcomes can be VERY expensive. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0aff01c49513$c70fdf80$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:49:24 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Leviss" > --Andy, who leaves in about an hour to join up with the tour of Sesame > Street Live's "Elmo's Coloring Book" as sound engineer, and will have > his "WWFWD?" desktop wallpaper on his laptop to keep him company ;o) > > --- "WWFWD"???? What Would Frank Wood Do? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2727.129.252.241.105.1094589556.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Wings for Angels. From: usctd [at] columbia.sc Penn State had a pair left when they ended one of the tours. I have no idea if they kept them or not. However, they did do Angels a couple years ago so they should have something. You may want to try them. Try Dan Brinker. You can find contact info on the web site. -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ladies and Gents: > > UMass is doing Angels in America in the spring and I'm shopping for the > angel wings. I know Goodspeed has a nice manually operated set, (used > them in '98 while at Meadowbrook) and Loren is/has made a pneumatic > operated set. Does anyone know of other sources, especially on the east > coast? We would strongly prefer the wings to be articulated and at > least 10' wing span when spread out. TIA for any help. > > -- > Michael > > Michael Powers, Technical Director > U Mass-Amherst, Dept. of Theatre > 112 Fine Arts Center West > 151 Presidents Drive Ofc 2 > Amherst, MA 01003-9331 > > Phone: 413-545-6821 > Fax: 413-577-0025 > > > mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu > mptecdir [at] aol.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:59:30 -0400 From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) Message-ID: <6BD90A2B.01F76039.40D64652 [at] aol.com> Some questions come to mind: What is the skill level of the actors? of the audio board operator? do you have control of the stage lighting? what is the distance from action to audience? A lot can be accomplished to "redirect" the attention of the audience with dramatic blocking and reactions; If the audio op is awake, it should be possible to manually run a sound cue reasonably close to the moment of action. A dramatic lighting cue can heighten the moment and provide some "flash" that would be interpreted as muzzle flash. Even though I generally argue for the use of blanks, there are times when they are not appropriate and other theatrical methods should be employed. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:13:23 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: cheeseboro ratings > >Bill S wrote: > > >They may be Cheesboro style clamps, but they aren't cheeseboro clamps. At >least not the way this industry defines both. > > >What we have traditionally called cheeseboros are not load rated. Ask any >manufacturer of scaffold clamps (their real name) and they will >agree. No load >rating. But oh great one... Safway web site says their clamps are tested at 4,000 lbs (17.8 KiloNewtons) and rated at 1000 lbs capacity. For years these are the clamps I've tried to use whenever I could, not necessarily because they are rated (although a very good reason) but because they open just that little bit further that makes slipping the pipe in ever so much easier. (They open past 90 degrees) Try one, you'll like it. Last time I bought any they had to be shipped from Cleveland. They cost a bit more but well worth it if you are paying labor. They also sort of fit around 2" truss----most of the time--they've got a nut that you can't thread off..sometimes it's too tight and won't open enough for the truss pipe. Why are they called Cheeseboro? Cheeseboro Ponds? --one time owner of Patent Scaffold? Dick A TD Cornell U ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Subject: RE: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:24:31 -0400 Organization: Duck's Echo Sound Message-ID: <005e01c49518$afd43410$a19afea9 [at] AndyLeviss> In-Reply-To: Tony Deeming inquired: > "WWFWD"???? >=20 > What Would Frank Wood Do? You betcha! If you do a search in the archives, after I went through the Wharton Center in East Lansing with "The Full Monty" back in February-ish and brainstormed the idea with him, Dave Vick posted a = Caf=E9 Press shop featuring all sorts of semi-official WWFWD? merchandise. All in good natured fun, of course :o) This place wouldn't be the same without Frank advising barefoot actors to shoot blanks next to their ears whilst standing under near-UV light! --A --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 8/27/2004 =20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040906224020.00a6daf8 [at] pop-server.new.rr.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:53:52 -0500 From: Mike Rock Subject: Re: Stagecraft lesson plans In-Reply-To: References: > I have discovered that many young people (and many >that are not so young) try to learn to do complex jobs before they >master the basic ones. This is a big mistake that I have seen made far >too many times. I guess I need to determine where I am in the learning process. I have had a few very good opportunities which have taught me what some might consider the basics. I guess what I feel I need to learn are the advanced basics if that makes any sense, for example I can build a flat that will stand up and last no problem but this sumer I learned the names of the parts and the details like making sure the keystones go the right way. Mike Rock ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <46.57c7b190.2e6f7b29 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:59:21 EDT Subject: Re: stagecraft lesson plan Cc: psyd [at] cox.net In a message dated 9/7/4 11:27:41 AM, psyd [at] cox.net writes: << They [squints] also tend to be a bit more outgoing. >> Nah... In my experence sound guys (and gals!) just want everyone to shut the heck up so they can hear what is going on without all that extra noise! I'm behind you on the props assessment. I'd add "If all you feed your crew for break is donuts and coffee, all you get is a wired crew that sags in an hour or so. Give them fruit, juice, GOOD WATER, and some non-sugared carbs (muffin/bagel/toast) and you'll get a crew that can stick with it til late lunch." Kristi ------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=E5re_Olai_Lindbach?= Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:01:07 +0200 Organization: LLP Message-ID: References:

In-Reply-To: On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:24:31 -0400, you ("Andy Leviss" ) wrote: >Tony Deeming inquired: >> "WWFWD"???? >> >> What Would Frank Wood Do? > >You betcha! If you do a search in the archives, after I went through the >Wharton Center in East Lansing with "The Full Monty" back in >February-ish and brainstormed the idea with him, Dave Vick posted a Café >Press shop featuring all sorts of semi-official WWFWD? merchandise. All >in good natured fun, of course :o) This place wouldn't be the same >without Frank advising barefoot actors to shoot blanks next to their >ears whilst standing under near-UV light! And drinking real ale, don't forget that... (ref. rats newsgroup) -- mvh/Regards Kåre Olai Lindbach (News: Remove '_delete_' and '.invalid') (HTML-written email from unknown will be discarded) ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1cb.2a6b2b1f.2e6f7cd1 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:06:25 EDT Subject: Re: cheeseboro ratings Cc: rja10 [at] cornell.edu In a message dated 9/7/4 3:18:19 PM, rja10 [at] cornell.edu writes: << Why are they called Cheeseboro? Cheeseboro Ponds? >> That's the guy! Did a lot of work on oil rigs and designed the clamp for that. He also "discovered" petroleum jelly better known as Vaseline and credited his long life to eating a tablespoon (15 ml for our metric friends) of it each day. (Has a mild laxative effect as any Beauty Queen knows!) Kristi ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: Wings for Angels. Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:24:19 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c49521$0a4b4160$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: Hi Michael, Loren at San Diego State designed a very nice pair of articulated wings (pneumatic powered and about 10' of wing span). He will probably see your post and contact you. They are currently being used at Live Arts in Charlottesville, VA. -Delbert -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Michael Powers Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:37 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Wings for Angels. For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Ladies and Gents: UMass is doing Angels in America in the spring and I'm shopping for the angel wings. I know Goodspeed has a nice manually operated set, (used them in '98 while at Meadowbrook) and Loren is/has made a pneumatic operated set. Does anyone know of other sources, especially on the east coast? We would strongly prefer the wings to be articulated and at least 10' wing span when spread out. TIA for any help. -- Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director U Mass-Amherst, Dept. of Theatre 112 Fine Arts Center West 151 Presidents Drive Ofc 2 Amherst, MA 01003-9331 Phone: 413-545-6821 Fax: 413-577-0025 mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu mptecdir [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <413E359A.D81DCEFA [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:26:34 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Fogger Was: prices References: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > If you are building a fogger for your own use, it may be cost effective. > > If someone else will be using the unit, don't overlook the liability issue. If you build it, you are responsible for any and all outcomes. When you are combining water and electricity, some outcomes can be VERY expensive. > > Steve Vanciel > Orlando, FL The better mousetrap ( Or in this case, the DIY fogger. ) is not to use a 55 gallon drum. You need a couple of five gallon buckets, an inexpensive sump pump, one of those small electric tankless hot water heaters, some hot water rated garden hose, and an insulated cooler. Total materials cost is around a couple hundred bucks. Most expensive part is the heater, match the pump's GPM to the heater's GPM rating at the desired water temperature. Five gallon buckets are your water supply. Sump pump sits in one of them. It pumps into the tankless hot water heater. Valve on the output of the hot water heater regulates the hot water flow through a perforated pipe glued to the inside lid of the insulated cooler. Dry ice in cooler provides billows of fog, and cooler water drains back down into the five gallon bucket with the sump pump to close the circuit. Breaks down into smaller pieces for easy transport. ( Hint: get a big enough cooler for the heater to fit inside of it. ) Trickle valve in the outlet of the hot water heater keeps the thing from burning out from an air bubble. The other five gallon bucket is your water supply for replenishing the primary bucket. For extra credit, figure a method for the second bucket of water to automatically top off the primary bucket. Construction details should be obvious to the experienced. --Dale ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <59.155fc1fb.2e6f9984 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:08:52 EDT Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol (SFX) In a message dated 07/09/04 19:43:24 GMT Daylight Time, Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com writes: > I'd imagine that it not only would be futile, but incredibly stupid to > do so. Why? Because, if you read the original post, THE ACTORS ARE > PORTRAYING ACTS OF SUICIDE. This means the guns will be, let's all say > it with me, RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR EARS. Regardless of whether the gun > cannot fire live rounds, it's still going to be way too loud to safely > fire right next to a head, solely from a hearing protection standpoint. Interesting. I hadn't seen the original post, for some reason, and the noise problem had not ocurred to me. But blanks come in different sizes. And hearing damage is seldom caused by one loud noise, once a day. > > On top of that, any firing weapon, blank or not, will eject its share of > hot gases and other things. Again, right next to somebody's head, this > is NOT a good thing. Blank firing weapons normally eject the residua sideways. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12e.4b29888f.2e6f9df0 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:27:44 EDT Subject: Re: Stagecraft course In a message dated 07/09/04 20:19:14 GMT Daylight Time, halld [at] etsu.edu writes: > Suggested Objectives: > > 1) Know how to tie 30 knots commonly used backstage (10 loops, 10 > hitches, and 10 bends) This is an arbitrary selection, and I think, nonsense. A bowline, for a loop; a clove hitch, for securing lines to poles; a sheet bend for securing ropes to sails. That makes three, and they all work. A knotmaster will know many more: but, of what use are they? Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: Stagecraft course Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:01:59 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c49537$10bd5540$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: Folks in my part of county like little saying. One of my favorites is, "if you only have one option, you don't really have any options. In other words, if you only know one knot for a loops, one for bend, and one hitch, you don't really have any choices. Which of these three knots that you mentioned would you use for tying off a lash line? Well, yes 30 is an arbitrary number, but one based on many years of experience. A bowline is a good knot for tying a loop in the end of a rope, but not for tying a loop in the middle of the rope. A clove hitch can slip, so you better know how to back it up with half hitches. I like sheet bends, but are you thinking about a single sheet bend, a double sheet bend or a triple bend - each has a purpose. Let's see, we are now up to seven knots. I am sure that I could make a case for 23 more knots very easily, if I wanted to take the time. The more knots you know, the more options you have. -Delbert -----Original Message----- In a message dated 07/09/04 20:19:14 GMT Daylight Time, halld [at] etsu.edu writes: > Suggested Objectives: > > 1) Know how to tie 30 knots commonly used backstage (10 loops, 10 > hitches, and 10 bends) This is an arbitrary selection, and I think, nonsense. A bowline, for a loop; a clove hitch, for securing lines to poles; a sheet bend for securing ropes to sails. That makes three, and they all work. A knotmaster will know many more: but, of what use are they? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:49:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Toshiba laptops References:

From: "Nicholas Kuhl" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > >> Just as a note . . . , Dell also has a tendency to leave out useful >> things like parallel and serial ports on some of their laptops. I >> bought mine assuming no one would build a computer without a serial or >> parallel port. > > A lot of computer magazines refer to parallel and serial ports as well > as PS2 mouse and keyboard connectors as legacy elements. The guys who > are out there on the front lines of the information age take pride in > having systems that only have USB and Firewire ports. I haven't had the > courage to go that way yet, but I sure read a lot about mobo > manufacturers that tout non-legacy system boards. > > -- JLB A turn of events I very much lament due to the fact that I still use such "legacy" items. And things like USB to parellel conversion cables cost as much as a new printer, well, almost. The serial port thing is what really gets me though, given that console interfaces to such important devices as routers use console connections. Oh well. -Nick Kuhl ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <97.4d040592.2e6fc13e [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:58:22 EDT Subject: Re: cheeseboro ratings In a message dated 9/7/04 4:18:19 PM, rja10 [at] cornell.edu writes: > >But oh great one... Safway web site says their clamps are tested at >4,000 lbs (17.8 KiloNewtons) and rated at 1000 lbs capacity. For >years these are the clamps I've tried to use whenever I could, not >necessarily because they are rated (although a very good reason) but >because they open just that little bit further that makes slipping >the pipe in ever so much easier. (They open past 90 degrees) Try >one, you'll like it. Last time I bought any they had to be shipped >from Cleveland. They cost a bit more but well worth it if you are >paying labor. They also sort of fit around 2" truss----most of the >time--they've got a nut that you can't thread off..sometimes it's too >tight and won't open enough for the truss pipe. Is that rating for overhead lifting? Or as the sole device holding up, say, a 4' pipe with a source 4 out on the end? I betcha if you describe the methodology to the Safway guys they'd go running screaming from the room. But I could be wrong. > >Why are they called Cheeseboro? Cheeseboro Ponds? --one time owner >of Patent Scaffold? I dunno. Thanks Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <98858F52-0150-11D9-8D0F-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Full Monty Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:36:05 -0500 > You betcha! If you do a search in the archives, after I went through > the > Wharton Center in East Lansing with "The Full Monty" back in > February-ish and brainstormed the idea with him, Speaking of "The Full Monty" is anyone on list going out with the tour starting in York PA the end of the Month? I'll at least be there for the in and the out. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040908000501.022cbec0 [at] mail.hstech.org> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:16:55 -0400 From: "Scott C. Parker" Subject: New Job In-Reply-To: References:

Greetings all, I have some news to tell. I've accepted a new position. That of Technical Director/Professor at Pace University. I'll still be involved with HS Tech and the www.hstech.org web site. I will also supervising the lighting & sound program at the Edward R. Murrow HS in Brooklyn. Pace University has reinstated the BA/BFA program in design/technical theater and I will be in charge of the technical side of things. This is a chance to build a program from the ground up. If anyone is interested, let me know and we'll chat. Note, however, that I'll be the first to say that if you were to think about going to a place with a brand new program, you might want to think twice. Many job opportunities will come your way from others who have graduated before you. With that said, I'm confident that the program will give the proper training required to succeed. After all, I have several recent high school grads getting work. I posted a notice about my job opening a while ago. If anyone is interested, let me know. They have yet to fill the position. That would be, TD of a large high school with in the NYC Dept. of Education. Teach 4 classes (each meeting 4 times/week) plus after school tech program. Some overtime. For salary info: www.teachny.org and follow the links. Contact me for more. Later all, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10036 212-346-1423 Fax: 212-346-1681 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040908142955.0385fe78 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:40:36 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: Toshiba laptops In-Reply-To: References:

At 10:49 8.09.2004, Nick Kuhl wrote: A lot of computer magazines refer to parallel and serial ports as well >>as PS2 mouse and keyboard connectors as legacy elements. The guys who >>are out there on the front lines of the information age take pride in >>having systems that only have USB and Firewire ports. I haven't had the >>courage to go that way yet, but I sure read a lot about mobo >>manufacturers that tout non-legacy system boards. >> >>-- JLB > >A turn of events I very much lament due to the fact that I still use such >"legacy" items. And things like USB to parellel conversion cables cost as >much as a new printer, well, almost. The serial port thing is what really >gets me though, given that console interfaces to such important devices as >routers use console connections. Oh well. > > -Nick Kuhl Although I would have preferred to have a full suite of ports, my factory-refurbished 6 month old Toshiba laptop was such a good price, that I was prepared to try to deal with the absence of a real Serial (RS232) port. I was able to pick up a USB to serial converter in the Wan Chai computer markets in Hong Kong (geek heaven) for less than US$20. This adequately covers my needs to connect to a Palm Pilot and an RS232 - RS485 DyNet interface. Andy ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #126 *****************************