Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 22446501; Tue, 17 May 2005 03:01:14 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #399 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:01:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #399 1. Re: Source for Switches by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 2. Re: Source for Switches by "F. Randy deCelle" 3. Re: Disney Jobs Enquiry by Jason Tollefson 4. Re: Source for switches by "Paul Guncheon" 5. Re: Source for switches by Chuck Mitchell 6. Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. by Mark Harvey 7. Scenic Design Opportunity Summer/Fall 2005 by Mark Harvey 8. Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. by Kevin Lee Allen 9. Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. by "Bill Nelson" 10. Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 11. Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. by "Steve Jones" 12. Re: Source for Switches by Paul Puppo 13. Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. by Steve Larson 14. Re: Disney Jobs Enquiry by "Christopher K. Nimm" 15. Re: Disney Jobs Enquiry by Steve Larson 16. PHOENIX advice by "John Gibilisco" 17. Re: PHOENIX advice by Boyd Ostroff 18. Re: PHOENIX advice by "Tony Deeming" 19. Re: PHOENIX advice by Boyd Ostroff 20. Cad Program by "Jonathan Wills" 21. Re: PHOENIX advice by "Tony Deeming" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Source for Switches Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 06:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c559ff$f07be0b0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > 'm trying to find small momentary pushbutton (normally open, > SPST) switches for a small project I'm working on. Have you tried Mouser electronics? www.mouser.com (800) 346-6873 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "F. Randy deCelle" Subject: RE: Source for Switches Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:11:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Try someplace like Digikey (http://www.digikey.com/), Newark (http://www.newark.com/), or Allied Electronics (http://www.alliedelec.com/). They are large distributors but handle small quantities through the web very efficiently. My first stop for this type of stuff is generally Digikey, unless it is an absolute, immediate need. I've had great experience with their online ordering, quick finding of online data on parts, and immediate online information on inventory. By doing a quick search through Digikey for pushbutton switch and applying a couple of search filters, I found the following: http://www.grayhill.com/Grayhill.nsf/947848defbb4d47e8625682c006b98b9/ bdaf85eb43e7e3d58625681f0073e781/$FILE/D-14-15.pdf A little more pricey than Radio Crap, but it was a quick search. Randy _________________________________________________________________ F. Randy deCelle, Assistant Professor, Chair of Scenic Technology Department of Theatre - University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050516121343.72733.qmail [at] web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 05:13:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tollefson Reply-To: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: Re: Disney Jobs Enquiry In-Reply-To: I somehow missed the original post on this topic and Steve V. covered the major points very well so I'd just like to add that if there are folks out there looking for tech work, WDW can be a great place. Don't let the repetitive nature of daily show operations fool you, there is always something new to get involved with. In my office at MGM Studios right now we are revving up for the Opening of Star Wars Weekends 2005 (Begins May 20th for those who are interested) and a number of other park-wide events, both disney and privately sponsored being held in the next couple of months. Rumor has it that We're also 70+ techs short of where we'd like to be staffing-wise so the jobsare there if you're willing to give it a try. Jason Tollefson Event Planner Disney-MGM Studios Walt Disney World, FL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 03:48:21 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Source for switches Message-id: <002e01c55a1d$ed945580$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <<'m trying to find small momentary pushbutton (normally open, SPST) switches for a small project I'm working on. I'd like to find ones similar in style to ones I've found at RadioShack, but more durable (unless somebody can assure me that I actually can rely on Radio Shack switches, and that my worry is unjustified). >> My experience with Radio Shack products does not lead to great trust in them. I have nothing from Radio Shack that is not broken. And don't get me started on the product knowledge of their staff. As far as switches, I have found that many of the ones I purchased from RS don't work right out of the box, many will fail after a couple of dozen operations, and the rest are fine. Buy a bunch and test them heavily. Other sources to consider are your neighborhood auto parts store, McMaster-Carr, and electronics supply houses such as Mouser Electronics. Actually, I don't remember ever having seen a switch which mounts with a nut from the back With this technique, the panel is "trapped"and would have to be in line before you soldered the switch leads which could make working on the unit a little difficult. Laters, Paul "It's just gold leaf," said Tom guiltily. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:16:13 -0500 From: Chuck Mitchell Subject: RE: Source for switches In-reply-to: Message-id: <001a01c55a21$d1310b00$0be25c90 [at] Chuck> Mouser.com and digikey.com <<'m trying to find small momentary pushbutton (normally open, SPST) switches. Chuck Mitchell Scene Studio Supervisor University Theatre-University of Wisconsin Madison 608-263-3330 FAX 608-265-4075 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:49:41 -0500 From: Mark Harvey Subject: RE: students designing of faculty productions etc. Message-ID: <2147483647.1116236981 [at] mharvey.d.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: References: As much as I've appreciated the comments from faculty members on this list concerning this topic, it's comments from students like Ryan that shape the design opportunity policy we have at our institution. In the 20+ years I have been at this university, I've watched our design/technical theatre program grow because we've committed ourselves to trust and mentor our students through the main stage design production process. It is important, however, to be collaborative in the production team selection process. We recognize the director should be involved in choosing who they would be working with on a given show. Each spring the design faculty propose a production team (typically scenic design, costume design, lighting design, sound design, and stage manager) to each director for approval. While it's rare we receive any objections to our proposals, it's a valuable step since the student designer understands all faculty involved in the production support them completely as a student designer. Fostering student designers for main stage productions is also a great way to recruit top design and technical students. Design opportunities are pivotal when students are comparing one institution to another, and the quality of design/tech students in a program make higher quality, more sophisticated designs possible no matter who might be the actual designer. In the long run student designers strengthen a theatre program, not weaken it. ____________________________________ Mark Harvey Associate Professor, Theatrical Lighting and Sound Design University of Minnesota Duluth http://www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey --On Monday, May 16, 2005 Zirngibl, Ryan John" wrote: > Although I have a number of opportunities in the surrounding community > to design I'm not sure I'd stay at this school if I didn't know that I > at least had the opportunity to design here too. Here I have more > guidance so I feel I am getting a stronger, more clean technique for > designing and for learning how to vocalize my ideas to a production > team. For this reason I'd urge any school BA, BFA, MA, MFA -whatever > to not only allow students to design, but to push them and encourage > them to do it, there is a certain amount of inspiration that can only > come from an academic mentor that will help fill a student with the > drive to work to become the absolute best they can be at what they > want to do. > > Ryan J. Zirngibl > UW-Eau Claire > Student-Theatre Arts > Scenic Designer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:00:36 -0500 From: Mark Harvey Subject: Scenic Design Opportunity Summer/Fall 2005 Message-ID: <2147483647.1116237636 [at] mharvey.d.umn.edu> The University of Minnesota Duluth seeks a scenic designer for their October 2005 production of Kiss Me Kate. The residency is funded with the John and Mary Gonska Cultural Fund, which brings professional theatre practitioners to our campus most every year. Performance dates for Kiss Me Kate are October 20-29. Ideally, the scenic designer would be in residency from the first of October through opening night. Construction for the show begins the first week of September, so design consultations would need to be made during the summer months with the director, Kate Ufema, and technical director, Mark Engler. Budget for the residency ranges from $4,000-$5,000, depending on transportation, housing and per diem expenses. With about 100 theatre majors, the Department of Theatre at the University of Minnesota is a fully staffed program offering Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Fine Arts degrees. The program mounts five main stage and three studio production per year. For more information concerning the residency, please contact Mark Harvey via email at: mharvey [at] d.umn.edu or by telephone office: 218-726-8776, home: 218-724-7824. Related Links: For more information concerning personnel involved with Kiss Me Kate, please go to the production web site at To view samples of recent UMD Theatre productions, go to The web site of the theatre facility, The Marshall Performing Arts Center, can be found at The web site for the Department of Theatre is at ____________________________________ Mark Harvey Associate Professor, Theatrical Lighting and Sound Design University of Minnesota Duluth http://www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:04:54 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. In-reply-to: Message-id: <1a098d8827c77bcba08e680ee3768b52 [at] klad.com> References:

Here is a difficult lesson for all designers to learn, not just=20 students. I heard it first from Lester Polakov, I believe. First, the designer MUST like the material. If you don't like the=20 script, don't do the project. Second, the designers and the director=20 must all get along. If the director does not 'like' a student (or=20 faculty or professional) designer, the results will most likely not be=20= of the highest quality and the experience will most likely be trying=20 for all concerned. Third, all must agree with the production=20 interpretation, that does not mean that director has to come to the=20 table with the concept, the director may adopt a designer's concept,=20 but everyone has to be on the same page. For myself, I will not take a project where these three criteria are=20 not met. On May 16, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Mark Harvey wrote: > It is important, however, to be collaborative in the production team=20= > selection process. We recognize the director should be involved in=20 > choosing who they would be working with on a given show. Each spring=20= > the design faculty propose a production team (typically scenic design,=20= > costume design, lighting design, sound design, and stage manager) to=20= > each director for approval. While it's rare we receive any objections=20= > to our proposals, it's a valuable step since the student designer=20 > understands all faculty involved in the production support them=20 > completely as a student designer. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Production Designer http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3401.64.28.50.142.1116265556.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. From: "Bill Nelson" > First, the designer MUST like the material. If you don't like the > script, don't do the project. Second, the designers and the director > must all get along. If the director does not 'like' a student (or > faculty or professional) designer, the results will most likely not be > of the highest quality and the experience will most likely be trying > for all concerned. Third, all must agree with the production > interpretation, that does not mean that director has to come to the > table with the concept, the director may adopt a designer's concept, > but everyone has to be on the same page. > > For myself, I will not take a project where these three criteria are > not met. While it certainly would be ideal if the designers like the material, I don't feel it is absolutely necessary. My criteria are a bit different: 1) Can I work with this director and production staff? Whether I like them or not is immaterial. 2) Is the director's vision close enough to mine that I can produce a quality design? 3) Do I believe I can produce a design with which I am willing to have my name associated? Bill ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: students designing of faculty productions etc. Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:06:14 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c55a41$f6260cb0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > While it certainly would be ideal if the designers like the > material, I don't feel it is absolutely necessary. My landlord greatly appreciates it if I don't limit my work to scores, scripts, and choreography I like. With experience, designers learn to find ways do do excellent (or at least satisfactory) work even when less than inspired. ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: RE: students designing of faculty productions etc. Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:16:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I disagree that the designer must "like" the material. From my 15 years = in higher ed, I cringe at the number of times we didn=E2=80=99t select a = show for our season, even though it was exactly the educational = experience the students needed, because the director didn't "like" the = show and couldn't direct it because of that. You don't have to like it. You have to be able to work with your team = and come up with a design that works for the script and the = concept/interpretation - even if it's a lousy script (or concept). I've designed lots of shows I didn't like. But liking it had nothing to = do with the amount of thought, effort and creativity that went into the = project. Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 651-2511 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.com=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kevin = Lee Allen Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:05 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Here is a difficult lesson for all designers to learn, not just=20 students. I heard it first from Lester Polakov, I believe. First, the designer MUST like the material. If you don't like the=20 script, don't do the project. Second, the designers and the director=20 must all get along. If the director does not 'like' a student (or=20 faculty or professional) designer, the results will most likely not be=20 of the highest quality and the experience will most likely be trying=20 for all concerned. Third, all must agree with the production=20 interpretation, that does not mean that director has to come to the=20 table with the concept, the director may adopt a designer's concept,=20 but everyone has to be on the same page. For myself, I will not take a project where these three criteria are=20 not met. On May 16, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Mark Harvey wrote: > It is important, however, to be collaborative in the production team=20 > selection process. We recognize the director should be involved in=20 > choosing who they would be working with on a given show. Each spring=20 > the design faculty propose a production team (typically scenic design, = > costume design, lighting design, sound design, and stage manager) to=20 > each director for approval. While it's rare we receive any objections = > to our proposals, it's a valuable step since the student designer=20 > understands all faculty involved in the production support them=20 > completely as a student designer. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Production Designer http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =EF=A3=BF ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b0505161120740509ba [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:20:38 -0700 From: Paul Puppo Reply-To: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: Source for Switches In-Reply-To: References: Hey Andy, If you want durability you might want to try Happ Controls They supply replacement parts for video games, so they have to be "beefy". Good Luck, Paul Puppo Illumineering http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com On 5/15/05, Andy Leviss wrote: > Hey gang, > 'm trying to find small momentary pushbutton (normally open, SPST) > switches for a small project I'm working on. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 15:05:03 -0400 Subject: Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From my 30 years of designing experience, I agree. I've known designers that didn't like hardly anything. They are either out of the business or they starved to death and we buried them with a frown on their faces. Steve > From: "Steve Jones" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:16:23 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > I disagree that the designer must "like" the material. From my 15 years = in > higher ed, I cringe at the number of times we didn=B9t select a show for ou= r > season, even though it was exactly the educational experience the student= s > needed, because the director didn't "like" the show and couldn't direct i= t > because of that. >=20 > You don't have to like it. You have to be able to work with your team an= d > come up with a design that works for the script and the concept/interpret= ation > - even if it's a lousy script (or concept). >=20 > I've designed lots of shows I didn't like. But liking it had nothing to = do > with the amount of thought, effort and creativity that went into the proj= ect. >=20 > Steve >=20 >=20 > ************************************* > Steve Jones, Director > Plaza Theatre > 115 E. Main Street > Glasgow, KY 42141 > Voice: (270) 361-2101 > Fax: (270) 651-2511 > http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Le= e > Allen > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:05 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: students designing of faculty productions etc. >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Here is a difficult lesson for all designers to learn, not just > students. I heard it first from Lester Polakov, I believe. >=20 > First, the designer MUST like the material. If you don't like the > script, don't do the project. Second, the designers and the director > must all get along. If the director does not 'like' a student (or > faculty or professional) designer, the results will most likely not be > of the highest quality and the experience will most likely be trying > for all concerned. Third, all must agree with the production > interpretation, that does not mean that director has to come to the > table with the concept, the director may adopt a designer's concept, > but everyone has to be on the same page. >=20 > For myself, I will not take a project where these three criteria are > not met. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On May 16, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Mark Harvey wrote: >=20 >> It is important, however, to be collaborative in the production team >> selection process. We recognize the director should be involved in >> choosing who they would be working with on a given show. Each spring >> the design faculty propose a production team (typically scenic design, >> costume design, lighting design, sound design, and stage manager) to >> each director for approval. While it's rare we receive any objections >> to our proposals, it's a valuable step since the student designer >> understands all faculty involved in the production support them >> completely as a student designer. >=20 > ----- > Kevin Lee Allen > Production Designer > http://www.klad.com > 973.744.6352.voice > 201.280.3841.mobile > klad [at] klad.com > =95 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001801c55a51$a1914470$6501a8c0 [at] tamiasuis> From: "Christopher K. Nimm" Cc: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com References: Subject: Re: Disney Jobs Enquiry Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:58:29 -0500 How does one apply for a job at WDW? Chris Nimm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Tollefson" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: Re: Disney Jobs Enquiry > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I somehow missed the original post on this topic and Steve V. covered the > major points very well > so I'd just like to add that if there are folks out there looking for tech > work, WDW can be a > great place. Don't let the repetitive nature of daily show operations > fool you, there is always > something new to get involved with. In my office at MGM Studios right now > we are revving up for > the Opening of Star Wars Weekends 2005 (Begins May 20th for those who are > interested) and a number > of other park-wide events, both disney and privately sponsored being held > in the next couple of > months. > > Rumor has it that We're also 70+ techs short of where we'd like to be > staffing-wise so the jobsare > there if you're willing to give it a try. > > Jason Tollefson > Event Planner > Disney-MGM Studios > Walt Disney World, FL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:04:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Disney Jobs Enquiry From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Read Steve's post. sjl > How does one apply for a job at WDW? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003501c55a7d$e2fa6640$0200a8c0 [at] om.cox.net> From: "John Gibilisco" Subject: PHOENIX advice Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:15:16 -0500 I am helping out a friend who has just moved from Omaha to the Phoenix area this week. She has trained primarily in lighting of theatrical productions but also worked full time for a large concert lighting company here in Omaha (TMS/ Theatrical Media Services) as well as working for the Local IATSE #42. Any advice or tips on employment from lists members in Phoenix is greatly appreciated. Off list might be a nice thing. Thanks for the bandwidth. Best, John Gibilisco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:20:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: PHOENIX advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the stagecraft list has morphed into "The Travel Channel" recently?... | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: PHOENIX advice Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 02:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Must be just you, Boyd - I read the post as a request for advice on employment for a STAGECRAFT person (albeit second hand) on a STAGECRAFT list! I'd have said that this is by a long way something that the list can and should support. After all, especially on your side of the pond, the world is a big place, and moving from one area to another can be helped greatly by the local knowledge of one already in that area. Just my 2 penn'orth. Ynot -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Boyd Ostroff Sent: 17 May 2005 02:21 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: PHOENIX advice For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the stagecraft list has morphed into "The Travel Channel" recently?... | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:36:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: PHOENIX advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: Hmm, in the big country on my side of the pond there's also some room for humor. Of course it's fine for people to ask any questions they want, that's what the list is for. Honestly, I haven't followed the list a lot recently, but it seems like nearly every other post these days has been something about travelling here or there, what to do and what to see. That's fine. I was merely reacting to yet another topic about this or that city. Have a nice day... | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jonathan Wills" Subject: Cad Program Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 01:08:40 -0400 Organization: Wills Lighting & Stage Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DXuJt1i7U-0002fa [at] mrelay.perfora.net> I am wondering if anyone has any experience with a CAD program called Rhino? The website is www.Rhino3d.com I am just mainly looking for anyone with experience with it. Thank you, Jonathan Wills Wills Lighting and Stage www.WillsLighting.com Toll Free 866.909.4557 Local 423.559.0606 Fax 423.559.0071 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/2005 ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: PHOENIX advice Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Boyd Ostroff Sent: 17 May 2005 02:36 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: PHOENIX advice For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hmm, in the big country on my side of the pond there's also some room for humor. Of course it's fine for people to ask any questions they want, that's what the list is for. Honestly, I haven't followed the list a lot recently, but it seems like nearly every other post these days has been something about travelling here or there, what to do and what to see. That's fine. I was merely reacting to yet another topic about this or that city. Have a nice day... | Boyd Ostroff Yup - humoUr is my middle name! (Well, it's actually Richard, but THAT's another story!) Ws difficult to see though whether your ost was serious or not, as we had a definite complaint on the subject a few days ago..... Keep smilin'!! Ynot ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #399 *****************************